as we knows there is a indirectly major boost up on 'conitec' marketing,what i mean is the 'bunnies' version a.k.a w*r*z,and some fellow on the forum have good tendency to track this down,so far i see it's cowbanga and rei_ayanami,but yeah it would completely nagging for us to ask the user which version do their running,for the real new licensed user would creating a new perspective that our forum are distrust,rude,insulting,etc,in other way conitec would be happy by the sales increase and on other hand it would pissed off the real new licensed user who doesnt aware of this issue.

so far that i learn from blitz3d and torque forum or any other company forum,they do have separated forum for licensed and trial user,to be honest i was using 'bunnies' version of torque,i was went to the forum and asking some question,at somepoint they forum user said that i need a valid license before i can access the thread to the answer of my qustion,at these point after i really believe that i do need to purchase the license i bought it because i don't have a choice other than this.

The user intention as forum user and licensed user are good,because as we know sometime the error that user get either real bug or from this 'bunnies' version,by separating this forum it would be easier for us to just directly focus on answering the user's question or tracking the bug.

regards,

alpha12

Where will the lite-c free (not a trial, but not a full version either) programmers go?

IMHO, anywhere/everywhere.
Lite-c free IS a legal (if somewhat limited) version, so its users are entitled to post regarding anything lite-c free supports.

But if they try to get help on something that lite-c free DOESNT support, then they should be
to be willing to "admit" to what version they are running, because it IS important information
for the problem-solving process. There is no shame in using Lite-C free. We are not racists 'commercialist's.

If they simply say "lite-C free" to any "what version" question, it will stave off any "anti-warez" attacks.
And if they have gone beyond the limits of lite-c free's capabilities, then someone will simply tell them that,
without the anti-warez flame attack.

As far as I understand you, you would ask about the username and passwort from the A7 license.
Good Idea !

BUT

I, as an example, work together with sPIKe, I don´t own A7 - only lite-C free. I even use Shader, I can´t see them and have to programm them for testing out, but I even have Questions to them. So, I not allowed to ask - Must sPIKe ask than? He can´t programm, so it would be very dumb.

Rei

You could always hire a shader programmer .

I think our community is an attractive part of the A7 package, and so users shouldn't be restricted from posting here. Even users who haven't gotten their hands on it yet will want to be able to ask questions.

The licensed users are much less likely to browse the forums available to the unlicensed users, I think, and thus unlicensed users won't get as much out of the forums.

IMHO, we just need a way to encourage people asking questions to accompany their questions with their version number and edition, because as new features come out those details are relevant anyway.

Jibb

EDIT/PS: It's quite impressive that you write shaders without a shader-supporting edition!

I don´t write them xD - only bind them etc. - but I think i´ll buy A7 com and than i programm than myself.

I'm working as a bunnies hunter because i really don't like people that gets something for free while WE work hard in the real life to gain pennies for Gamestudio.

Alright, alpha12.
Let's say you're JCL. You're working for over 10 years to develop Gamestudio. You're working very hard to see the users' Bug reports and Wishlists AND developing Gamestudio at the same time.

And you saw someone who hacked your 10 years hard work for NOTHING!!!

Now back to yourself. Let's say you finished developing an AAA game (Like Crysis, FareCry, Sims etc...) and Bingo!! You saw someone made a crack for your game. You paid thousands for publishing/developers/designers/testers etc...
Are you gonna be happy ans you'll say; "Nah, nevermind. I'll just wait until someone buy my game".

Maybe NO ONE would buy your cracked game and he'll say: "Alright, no one can see me. I'll download the little cute cheap crack and i'll simply hack that poor guy's game. Oh, and i'll try to enjoy as possible".

Got it??

Oh, and by the way, my nickname is Cowabanga, not Cowbanga.

Cowabanga I´m with you

You forget two important facts Cowabanga:
1. If a game is really as good as crysis or Far Cry it will bought.
2. Not everyone who load and crack a software would absolutly buy this software, if no crack are available. Some only test the software and would never buy it.

The thing is today its possible to load every game ever developed.
Games are very expensiv and become to be smaller, less extensive and have more and more bugs in it.
So I also load games sometimes. After I played a cracked game their follow one of two possible situation:
1. It is as good as CoD4 or GoW, you see the developers work and commitment, the story is good(and not only the graphic), the atmosphere and the game is just great, then I go to the next shop and buy the game to play it multiplayer (company of heroes) and support their work and maybe the next part of the game (GoW2, cod6).
2. I played the game for 10 minutes and recognized that the game isnt as good as I expected (like Prototype), it has no story, only a good graphic, a lot of bugs (gothic 3) or it is only beneath contempt.

I know that not everybody deals it that way. But remember fact 1.

but i think that this is only for games. 3dgs is a programm and it has a demo version. i think cod4 or so has no demo version, because of this everyone downloads the cracked version. but 3dgs has a demo version where you can count experience within 30 days. then you dont need to download the cracked version. they download the cracked version, because they are too lame to buy it.