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Re: Google Wave [Re: Damocles_] #300530
12/03/09 01:12
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I got also spare invitations for whoever wants.
melonblaster@googlewave.com


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Re: Google Wave [Re: Joozey] #300532
12/03/09 01:51
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So this service is not public yet?
If it is, why the invitations then?

The cloud computing idea is really interesting.
I just worry about Google having access to all private
conversations of millions of people.
Guess the CIA has a direct access set up already then.

Re: Google Wave [Re: Damocles_] #300576
12/03/09 14:07
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Are you worry about that? What sort of conversations do you make? grin


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Re: Google Wave [Re: Joozey] #300578
12/03/09 14:29
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Mostly about Porn, building Bombs and Nazi talk.
The standrds wink

I see a general Problem with server based computing to privacy.
Especially when it comes to business secrets etc,
where a competitor of Google might leak first class information
to Google (or any other provider) when caching documents
on their servers.

I wonder if they offer encrypted communication, such that only
clients can deencode the contents locally.

Re: Google Wave [Re: Damocles_] #300591
12/03/09 15:47
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I added you, Quadraxas and Joozey and I opened a new Wave for the three of us. laugh

And no Damocles, it's not public yet, so you need an invitation to be one of the privileged ones who can already use it. wink

EDIT: I see no more privacy problem that with E-Mails. Who says your E-Mail provider didn't already publish the buissnes secrets you sent by E-Mail? wink

Re: Google Wave [Re: Lukas] #300594
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With eMail there is at least the possibility to
send the contents encrypted.
So the mail-server cant read whats in it.
The clients can decrypt it then locally.
And Email-servers can run directly on private servers.

But Googles approach is even more centralised (one main
Server-grid), and the fundamental idea to store the conversations there
permanently.

I wish that Google would have adressed security concerns
on their presentation.

Re: Google Wave [Re: Damocles_] #300662
12/04/09 04:36
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Security and liabilities are a concern of mine as well. As far having everything on one network grid, my understanding is that Google is releasing the core as open source so your company can set up its own wave service. This can be kept for internal use only or bridged to a similar set up at another company. Part of the looong demo simulated this, showing the platform agnostic capability.

There are still a lot of issues that need to be resolved and plugins that need to be developed. A really good VOIP plugin for example.


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Re: Google Wave [Re: DC9] #300672
12/04/09 08:22
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I dont think that big companies will use it and that secure meetings will be made with this. You still can use other tools for that, you can setup virtual private networks and use net meetings or whatever.

I see this tool as a good solution for the casual everyday-communication. It can be very helpful.
MSN is such a bad alternative. Exchanging files became worse and worse with every version, it is not reliable and I got spam from blocked persons as well. Wave sounds like the perfect alternative.

If I would be afraid about security, then I would switch to a more private tool.

But who knows, maybe they address this in the future as well with different keys, encryptions and other techniques.


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Re: Google Wave [Re: Machinery_Frank] #300676
12/04/09 10:43
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Wave is not only a webapp., its an open protocol, you will be able to host your own wave server if you don't trust google (like you can host your own mailserver)

I also have some invites left if anyone is interesed.

Re: Google Wave [Re: AlexDeloy] #300897
12/06/09 17:49
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I have access to it, but seems a bit lacking in use. Just a glorified email system really.
Maybe better when more people join.


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