steady, and does not change their beliefs.

this is not always a good thing , like in your case.

That's right, you'd done a much better job when you kept your mouth shut. You're giving a pathetic spectacle of Christians, letting them appear ignorant, resentful and pompous. Do God and yourself a favor and keep your opinion to yourself. God gave us a brain to think and we all will be judged by our acts and character. You'll be surprised to find that Agnostics can end up in heaven and some "Christians" can end up in hell if it exists.

And still - although I like your variant way more - its just something you mortal human beings claim
When I die I'll propably just die and thats the end of the story. So I am just doing what feels good in life - and thank god (metaphorical) that I'm such a nice person, I feel good from being good to other people - WITHOUT having to scare myself or others with thoughts of some eternal torture

Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with you, Joquan. You think I'm going to SUFFER FOR ETERNITY just because I dont believe in some FLYING ALLMIGHTY ALIEN?!

Joquan, it seems that you are out of arguments (or did you ever have any?). Surely you wouldn't stop this discussion, just because it's hopeless, because you want to continue harvesting heaven-points.

I kind of feel like we won the discussion...

i thought in heaven everyone is happy? won't it fuel a lot of envy if some eternal souls are happier than others because they got more rewards from god? so what is this heaven-point harvesting all about?

When someone's wrong, they're still wrong, whether they are stubborn about it or not is really utterly irrelevant.

The reason you do not change your belief, is not because it is a good thing not to change your belief, but because you ignore the good arguments made entirely.

That's your choice, but don't expect us to fall for the idea that a steady faith is somehow more important than the actual truth we are interested in.

In other words, you're brainwashed.

oh my, i know EXACTLY what you mean. everytime i read stuff like this...



... i just want to smash my head on my table.


whenever i read something joquan wrote, it reminds me of this dandy little picture here.

And yes, i know that you're not quite fond of those images, which i can understand, but sometimes, there's just no better way to put it.

I moderated out all of my posts in this topic, since none of you seem to get the point. It will make it so no one can continue the discussion, until I get a moderator to completely delete it.

If you think you are right and we just didn't get your point, why delete it? Maybe someone else who reads this gets your point? So why prevent people from reading what you said?

Because it will continue a discussion of which I don't have time for.

To everyone: One other reason I took this out is because I realized that it was kind of dumb to even continue this, because I know that no one will listen. Sorry if I offended anyone, I won't be posting many more religious topics in THIS forum for a while. (Seems that there are generally atheists here, and not many Christians that I know of.)