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a universe from nothing #339532
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ImvlS8PLIo

a nice talk by lawrence krauss i just came across. at the end even hilbert's hotel gets mentioned so i guess it's very fitting for this forum. laugh

Re: a universe from nothing [Re: ventilator] #339559
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video wont load at a reasonable speed after 00:26:**

Just when it was about to get interesting :<


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it worked without problems for me. maybe try again a bit later...

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" Scientists love mistery, religious people like to know everything and they know nothing "
L. Krauss

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Mr Krauss explained what I said a couple of times in this forum

The " existence " is no more a mistery for modern quantum physics
A " creator " is not needed
It seems a paradox but a " destructor" should be necessary
Obviously nobody can really grasp this concept, not even Mr Krauss , I suppose , being anti intuitive but this is the plain truth

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That saying is inaccurate, he is wrong. We don't want to know everything.

A Creator IS needed. When people die, what happens to them? They can't just be removed from existence. Where are they? I find that funny, people will say "Hell", but I say, "Heaven and hell, depending on their decisions."

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Originally Posted By: Joquan
A Creator IS needed. When people die, what happens to them? They can't just be removed from existence.


Why not?

That's the cycle of life and death.

Even if there was a place where you go when you die, with so many dead people over all the years, it would be a terribly crowded place. Why would I want to go there?


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Originally Posted By: Joquan
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When people die, what happens to them? They can't just be removed from existence.



Why ?
Dont confuse your ( and my ) wishes with the bloody evidence

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It always gets me when scientists want to know how the world began, Bing bang theory? possibly?

But I want to know what was before the big bang, possibly another big bang as the world is forever expanding and condensing leaving it to implode on itself?

Or shall I rephrase as to what was before the first big bang?

We have the time dimension and find it hard to percieve anything else, and as it always leaves us in the unknown or just asking the next question of "But what was before that", some shout God, some say nothing.


Or for a totally different angle, if the answer of "The universe was always there" isn't good enough. Who created God or what was before him?


Final thought: Big bang theory, we all were created and evolved from star dust, and got to where we are today some 15billion years later, and you still look that similar to me?!?

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Originally Posted By: MrGuest
But I want to know what was before the big bang


That's the thing about it. There was nothing. Just nothing. Without the universe around, there was no 4th time dimension. And without time there is no "before", there is no "after". That's just it, nothing in the purest way possible. No matter, no light, no time, no beginning and no end.


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