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My experience with Chois3D/ChoiJ
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02/25/11 16:25
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Hey Guys, I searched a model a few days ago so I also contacted Chois3D (in the Forum known as ChoiJ) and Blattsalat. Chois answered after a day, here is the quoted Text: Hi Liam; Thanks for support, my friend. http://www.otakusan.de/shop/images/did00211.jpg ( white big beard + hat in brown, Need cartoon style.. ) Character: Old wizard. Cartoon Style. 1000-3000 polys. 1024x1024 Diffuse map. animations ( walk,bar attack and spell ). Price : 180 EUR / model If no problem, I arranged for team artists to create model. look forward to hearing from you soon. Regards Chois We note that his picture is a picture from my Post and not what I wanted as this picture should only show the bar of the wizard. I responded with: Hey,
thanks for the Offer but I got one for 50€ and as I am a student I can't simply pay 180€, sorry.
Thanks anyway
Liam Blattsalat has written me the same day with an 50€ offer which is way less and he is also a trusted member here. I thought it was over with Chois3D, but then those 3 Mails arrived: Mail 1 - 23.Feb Hi Liam; my friend, 50EUR can only create <1000 polys character models, Not too much detail. If you need, you can contact me. Thanks for support Chois Mail 2 - 23.Feb Hi Liam; Although only 50EUR, I arranged for artists to help you create models and animations , because you are a student, try to help you, but this is not the standard price, please do not tell anyone.
Thank you Chois Mail 3 - Same day To add, I use paypal. Payment note: send you lock password .rar file..you pay complete.. I send you password. Payment email : Removed Paypal - send money Please select Services . not Goods,eBay Items. At least Mail 4 - Same day as before, 23.Feb Hi Liam; Model will be completed tomorrow or the day after, please contact me as soon as possible. if you do not need, will stop creating.
Thank you Chois So he really started on his own with the creation of the model without having my "permission". I responded. Hey Chois,
please stop the developement as I did not agreed with you. I was away yesterday so I couldn't respond fast, I thank you for your generous offer but the Job was already filled after you send me your 180€ plan.
Have a nice day Liam And another one: Hey,
Sorry, I was away yesterday. Please stop your work, at the Moment the job is already filled.
Thank you Liam This definitely is a clear "Stop" for him. I thought once more it is over now. But no, he wrote me back: Hey my friend; I can forgive you, I will pay the artist's work. because the team's reputation and trust..
Thank you Chois I think he wanted to say he has now understood his error with beginning to work on my model, forgiven is a very strange word in this sense. He seemed to pay his own team for whatever... Again, NOT over, today this mail: Hi Liam; So you savings 180EUR ( with the standard price), contact me, the model has been completed, my friend..
Thanks for support Chois Attached two pictures of a model, one is this here: Seems like he created a model altough I stopped it and the model isn't not at all what I wanted from my description. My advice: Don't use it. Getting really angry here, I update soon because I'm sure he is going to write me today.
Last edited by TheLiam; 02/25/11 16:28.
"Ich weiss nicht genau, was Sie vorhaben, aber Sie können keine Triggerzonen durch Ihr Level kullern lassen." -JCL, 2011
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Re: My experience with Chois3D/ChoiJ
[Re: Liamissimo]
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02/25/11 17:16
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I don't know, this really sounds more like a language-issue than outright conspiracy. You could have been a bit friendlier, he could have waited until everything was clear and set in stone.
Lesson learnt: Never EVER communicate something when you're angry (or at least try avoidign it). No emails, no PMs, no phonecalls, no embarrassment and hate later on. Also, possibly less misunderstandings?
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Perhaps this post will get me points for originality at least.
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Re: My experience with Chois3D/ChoiJ
[Re: Error014]
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02/25/11 17:35
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Of course I wasn't happy after 4 mails of him ignoring that I wrote "stop the developement".
Anyway, this should only be my point of view, he created a model and that is good but I can't be more clear if I write two time "stop the developement".
"Ich weiss nicht genau, was Sie vorhaben, aber Sie können keine Triggerzonen durch Ihr Level kullern lassen." -JCL, 2011
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Re: My experience with Chois3D/ChoiJ
[Re: Liamissimo]
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02/25/11 22:08
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This could also be part of the Asian mentality - he probably hoped to get the job anyways; just dont pay him.
But, well, Error is probably right anyways... I had a hard time discussing business with that guy too, it's just that language barrier.
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Re: My experience with Chois3D/ChoiJ
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05/26/11 06:45
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@TheLiam,You're just student, a friend advised me to reply this post, to clarify.
I do not understand you purpose, If you tell me: chois, I need to free character, can you help me? Perhaps, I will consider, Because some friends are very friendly.
about Password files, some guys do not pay artists work, I can only take this approach. If you are angry because of the password file, I'm really sorry.
1. I did not receive you money. 2. artist create a complete model,you do not like it , you can not pay. 3. Finally, I pay the artist 180EUR, because of his work, I have to pay to him. 4. About dialogue, you have posted, friends can watch.
Ask you again: you lost money in this deal?!!
Because you are a student, You have only 50EUR!! Artist agree,did it entirely out of kindness!!
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Re: My experience with Chois3D/ChoiJ
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05/26/11 14:46
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thanks for the Offer but I got one for 50€ and as I am a student I can't simply pay 180€, sorry.
Liam, this sentence can easily be interpreted as "if you make it for 50€, we`ll have a deal". "I got one" is no correct English and can`t be easily understood, especially if you`re living in Asia. I would have interpreted it that way, too. Also, because you normally don`t reject a proposial that way. It was a bit unfriendly, wasn`t it? Don´t forget the language barrier and the different cultures. ChoiJ didn`t make a mistake at all. He did quite the reverse. He was very kind and found a way to make the (cute and nice) model for 50 EUR. He just misunderstood that you didn`t need the model anymore.
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Re: My experience with Chois3D/ChoiJ
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05/26/11 14:53
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"I got one" is no correct English Why not? It's the simple past form of "I get one". Surely one would rather use present perfect here, but is it really wrong? Sorry for OT.
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Re: My experience with Chois3D/ChoiJ
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05/26/11 15:02
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I think it´s at least slang, isn`t it? I would have written something like this:
"Hello ChoiJ
Thanks very much for your offer. I`m afraid that I can`t pay you that much money because I`m a student. I`m very sorry, but we can`t work together. I already found another modeler, Blattsalat from the Acknex forums, who makes me the model for a price that I`m able to pay. Nevertheless I wish you all the best. Your business is great for people who are able to pay more than me. I´m sure you will find another job.
Thanks again, Liam"
Maybe not the best English, too. But I think it`s understandable and more friendly.
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