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Re: Any Muslims here?
[Re: Joey]
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05/04/11 20:50
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Rather than commandments there are The "Five Pillars of Islam" and "The 6 Articles of Faith" The Five Pillars are http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Pillars_of_IslamThe Six Articles of Faith are http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iman_(concept) 1st one is same as one of the Pillars, accepting that there is only one God. 2nd faith in Angels 3nd faith in 4 holy books 4th faith in his messengers 5th faith in the judgement day and afterlife 6th faith in fate (fate is a very interesting and broad concept in Islam) Denying one of this articles means your faith is not complete. i.e. Believeing in all articles but denying Jesus, or any part of the Quran means your faith is not complete. A lot of events in the Quran are similiar to some events in other books to some degree. In core, since they are all coming from the same God as muslims believe, all religions are same. Before being modified/altered by man, the Bible was God's word. Main difference between Islam and Christianity today, is the understanding and attributes of the God* and Jesus. *:(Allah is the arabic word for God) --- Also about science/religion conflict: Islam encourages studying the universe in all aspects. In fact it is considered as a prayer to study science under certain circumtances. This science/religion can't be together thing comes from the days when the Church did not want to lose their power. They tried to keep people away from science, leaving them uneducated and easier to control.
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Re: Any Muslims here?
[Re: Quad]
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05/04/11 21:31
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Rather than commandments there are The "Five Pillars of Islam" and "The 6 Articles of Faith" But to get those you first need to talk to Thor in Nordia Village. He'll give you the quest to gather 6 Golden Calfs by slaying Elder Pigs and rewards you with the repair hammer. Bring the hammer to Poseidon in Atlantis City, and he'll fix the five broken pillars for you. As for the Articles of Faith; find Flying-with-birds south of Bison Plains if you reach lvl 20, help him defeat the firedragon sieges and his reward will be the Articles of Faith.
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Re: Any Muslims here?
[Re: Joozey]
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05/04/11 22:08
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love is part of faith, though you can be emo and accept there is only one god but not love him??? Note that i am no expert in islam and nor in english language. As i said earlier understanding of God and attributes of God are different in Islam. God is both to be feared and loved, just like your mother/father. God is most merciful and the most just. There is a essential concept of love for god, but it's not really easy to explain before explaning alot of other stuff. If you read Quran from start to finish,(i.e. from German translation, preferably one with additional explanation, though since this explanations written by other people, they are not Quran itself, they are interpretions. They help to understand though.) Also the main misconceptions about islam: http://islam.about.com/od/commonmisconceptions/tp/myths.htm
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Re: Any Muslims here?
[Re: Quad]
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05/04/11 22:14
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About price for people's sin, and Jesus paying for them is not valid in Quran. If the story of Jesus was a movie without any sound/narration, they would look almost same in Bible and Quran version, but they are different in a lot of parts. People betraying him, his death, him being with god now, and that he will return parts are same.
Everyone's sin is for themselves. Also children do not get born with sin, they are pure and without any sin.
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Re: Any Muslims here?
[Re: Joey]
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05/04/11 22:14
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you shall not kill - except in the course of justice (Koran). The definition of justice is very broad. Justice a few hundred years ago can't be interpreted as the justice we have today. We live in a world where every country has its own way of defining justice, which you are to follow, where you can't / are not allowed to take justice in your own hands. Doing so is forbidden in islam since you would break the rules in the system you promised to follow, since we have abliged to live under those rules which have been set. Someone correct me if I'm wrong
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Re: Any Muslims here?
[Re: Quad]
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05/04/11 23:22
05/04/11 23:22
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love is part of faith, though you can be emo and accept there is only one god but not love him??? On the contrary, we are instructed that if we truly love God for his sacrifice, we will render utmost respect, love, and obedience toward him, in accordance with the principles given in both the New Testament and Old Testament. As it is written in James 2:18: "But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works." And James 2:20: "But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?" Good works should be a natural consequence of our faith. Nonetheless, they are not the reason for our salvation: our salvation through Christ is not earned or bought through good works, but made in faith and expounded through works. EDIT: When I made this post, I hadn't seen the last two, so I'm making a response to this statement: Everyone's sin is for themselves. Also children do not get born with sin, they are pure and without any sin. Indeed, the sins of the father do not pass to the son, but the consequences of the father's sin may inflict the son. For example: if God destroys a man for his sin, his family is not to blame for the sin, but they will still suffer his loss. An entire family might perish because of the sin of one man in the family. In the same way, when Adam betrays God in Genesis, man as an entire race is burdened with the weight of death. The weight of sin is inescapable to all men simply because they are the offspring of the first man, Adam. Consequently, man is bound to sin until he accepts God's forgiveness through Christ's sacrifice.
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