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!!!? Surfaces too big for shaded mode ?!!! #57928
10/22/05 05:36
10/22/05 05:36
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Torrance, California
Kerkelenz Offline OP
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Hi, I could build my level just fine, and the all of the sudden were I restartet WED and my Computer, it said Suffaces too big for shaded mode and it doesnt build any more! even if I turn the shaded flag on all blocks in the level off, it wont work!!! This is really annoying, please help me!

ErKeL

Re: !!!? Surfaces too big for shaded mode ?!!! [Re: Kerkelenz] #57929
10/22/05 07:51
10/22/05 07:51
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Minot, North Dakota, USA
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I was getting this, even with small surfaces. I've had surfaces at 1280x1600 without any warning from this and simply adding a small, unscaled 128x96 surface, I got this. My level was able to run afterwards, but much later, I got a "lightmap space overrun" error with 16 megabytes used for lightmaps (according to the map compiler anyway). I had over 2000 blocks, mostly small ones flagged as detail. This is my old, abandoned project. My two current projects, however, don't have this issue. My 3D level doesn't use blocks, rather, it uses models instead since they render faster. My other project is nothing more than a bunch of panels which couldn't get lightmaps (or even have to build).


"You level up the fastest and easiest if you do things at your own level and no higher or lower" - useful tip My 2D game - release on Jun 13th; My tutorials
Re: !!!? Surfaces too big for shaded mode ?!!! [Re: ulillillia] #57930
10/22/05 19:40
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Kerkelenz Offline OP
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ya but how do i avoid this?

Re: !!!? Surfaces too big for shaded mode ?!!! [Re: Kerkelenz] #57931
10/22/05 20:09
10/22/05 20:09
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First, how many blocks do you have? Second, since you have 6.31 Pro edition (according to your profile), do you have the "high res" flag checked for the lighting for some of your large surfaces? Third, what are your build specs (as when just about to compile)?


"You level up the fastest and easiest if you do things at your own level and no higher or lower" - useful tip My 2D game - release on Jun 13th; My tutorials
Re: !!!? Surfaces too big for shaded mode ?!!! [Re: ulillillia] #57932
10/22/05 21:09
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Kerkelenz Offline OP
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the high res, is off in less the sun has high res.

I have 77 Blocks in my level, here a screenshot: http://img457.imageshack.us/img457/6646/screen0hp.jpg

Re: !!!? Surfaces too big for shaded mode ?!!! [Re: Kerkelenz] #57933
10/23/05 05:02
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77 blocks is very few. So, the only thing I'm left with is the fact if you scaled the textures or not. That is, if you set the scale of a texture to, say, 0.1, you'd have the equivelent of a single block being ten times bigger on all sides (a small 64x64 block would then become, in a sense, a 640x640 block, although only 64x64 quants in size). You shouldn't need to go below 0.25 and wouldn't recommend going below 0.5. Check your blocks for this sort of outrageous scaling you may have accidentally done. Also, flag the sides that cannot be seen (such as the undersides of floors) as "none", even in places where two walls of the same size (or the smaller one completely covered by a bigger one) meet up.


"You level up the fastest and easiest if you do things at your own level and no higher or lower" - useful tip My 2D game - release on Jun 13th; My tutorials
Re: !!!? Surfaces too big for shaded mode ?!!! [Re: ulillillia] #57934
10/23/05 11:21
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Kerkelenz Offline OP
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my blocks are about 32x32quants big and the texture is on x\y scale 0.2 couse otherwise it looks all like 1097

Re: !!!? Surfaces too big for shaded mode ?!!! [Re: Kerkelenz] #57935
10/23/05 22:10
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Looking at your textures and objects from your screenshot, 32x32 is likely not the correct size. It seems more like it's around 64x256 or bigger. A 0.2 scale would make this block seem more like a 320x1280, and even that size shouldn't be giving that error (I've had bigger yet without it). You sure have a puzzle to solve. A texture scale of 0.2 is not really recommended. 0.5 is the lowest recommended value and below 0.25 isn't worth it.

Light posts are roughly 12 feet high. At the normal map scale of 16 quants to 1 foot (provided you are using that), the buildings are 192 quants high. They are also very long making them probably 960 quants wide. At that size, you will certainly get that error (simulating a 960x4800 quant block). The only solution I have is to change the texture scale from 0.2 to something around 0.5. Either that, or take out MED and use it instead.


"You level up the fastest and easiest if you do things at your own level and no higher or lower" - useful tip My 2D game - release on Jun 13th; My tutorials
Re: !!!? Surfaces too big for shaded mode ?!!! [Re: ulillillia] #57936
10/27/05 00:52
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Kerkelenz Offline OP
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thx, it worx now!

Re: !!!? Surfaces too big for shaded mode ?!!! [Re: Kerkelenz] #57937
07/30/06 16:37
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hey, i just wanted to tell ulillillia thanks, i actually learned somthing out of reading this post, i didnt know that the scale of the texture affected to over all size of the block when it comes to building


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