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6.31.4 WED passable block bug (is fixed?) #62937 01/28/06 22:40 01/28/06 22:40
Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 1,655 T testDummy OP Serious User
testDummy OP Serious User T Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 1,655	I know this has been reported before. For version 6.31.4, in WED, in the object properties window for a block, checking the passable flag doesn't appear to actually make the block passable. Assigning a block a turbulent texture (a water texture) makes the block passable, but simply checking the passable check box in object properties for the block appears to have no effect. Is this fixed in the current public beta 6.40.++?

Re: 6.31.4 WED passable block bug (is fixed?) [Re: testDummy] #62938 01/29/06 00:14 01/29/06 00:14
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 6,818 Minot, North Dakota, USA ulillillia Senior Expert
ulillillia Senior Expert Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 6,818 Minot, North Dakota, USA	You could download the public beta and see for yourself. I don't have any collision-related scripts so I'm not able to test it. "You level up the fastest and easiest if you do things at your own level and no higher or lower" - useful tip My 2D game - release on Jun 13th; My tutorials

Re: 6.31.4 WED passable block bug (is fixed?) [Re: testDummy] #62939 01/29/06 05:08 01/29/06 05:08
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,142 California Daedelus Senior Developer
Daedelus Senior Developer Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,142 California	Passable flag seems broken for skies. Passable flag does not work for hollow cubes used for skies in versions 6.40 and 6.40.2. Furthermore, seams are still visible along the edges of the cube like in these pics: (second pic, bullets hit the sky) Formula Games - A place to buy and sell Indie games.

Re: 6.31.4 WED passable block bug (is fixed?) [Re: Daedelus] #62940 01/30/06 14:13 01/30/06 14:13
Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 27,986 Frankfurt jcl Chief Engineer
jcl Chief Engineer Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 27,986 Frankfurt	Passable flag "broken" for skies: You are not supposed to set such a flag, as only worldly objects can be set passable. Seams at the sky cube: When you have a a sky cube, check that your sky color is at 0,0,0. Rendering a sky cube and a sky color at the same time will unnecessarly decrease your frame rate.

Re: 6.31.4 WED passable block bug (is fixed?) [Re: jcl] #62941 01/30/06 16:05 01/30/06 16:05
Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 2,234 Wisconsin USA FoxHound Expert
FoxHound Expert Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 2,234 Wisconsin USA	Wow, that just added a lot to my frame rate. Could this bit of information be added to the manual? --------------------- There is no signature here. QUIT LOOKING FOR ONE!

Re: 6.31.4 WED passable block bug (is fixed?) [Re: jcl] #62942 01/31/06 03:18 01/31/06 03:18
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,142 California Daedelus Senior Developer
Daedelus Senior Developer Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,142 California	Quote: Passable flag "broken" for skies: You are not supposed to set such a flag, as only worldly objects can be set passable. Seams at the sky cube: When you have a a sky cube, check that your sky color is at 0,0,0. Rendering a sky cube and a sky color at the same time will unnecessarly decrease your frame rate. Setting the sky as passable for a hollowed cube never caused a problem until 6.40. I guess it was a habit from A5 in which it was necessary for my weapons. I took your advice and unchecked the passable flag and rebuilt the level. The sky still gets hit by bullets. As for the seams: The tested resources that still have the problem with seams are: -Steempipes water shader example -Matt Coles' shader collection -"Sky Demo" by Ahmet Serdar Kucuk Last edited by Daedelus; 01/31/06 09:00. Formula Games - A place to buy and sell Indie games.

Re: 6.31.4 WED passable block bug (is fixed?) [Re: Daedelus] #62943 02/01/06 18:55 02/01/06 18:55
Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 27,986 Frankfurt jcl Chief Engineer
jcl Chief Engineer Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 27,986 Frankfurt	Probably Marco can answer in detail about the sky, but I think that's not a bug issue. Seams are artifacts of few 3D cards, due to rendering inaccuracies. They are invisible to the user. Unless you have a nonzero sky color or some other sky behind your cube, or have not switched DX to retail mode. So, take the seams as a feature, not a bug. They indicate that you shold disable whatever you're rendering behind your sky cube - it will not only get you seams but also lower your frame rate. This info was added to the manual.

Re: 6.31.4 WED passable block bug (is fixed?) [Re: Daedelus] #62944 02/01/06 21:49 02/01/06 21:49
Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 3,236 San Diego, CA M Marco_Grubert Expert
Marco_Grubert Expert M Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 3,236 San Diego, CA	Quote: I took your advice and unchecked the passable flag and rebuilt the level. The sky still gets hit by bullets. What are you trying to accomplish ? For best performance the sky should not be set to passable which also means it will get hit by bullets. You can use SCAN_TEXTURE to check whether the player has hit a valid target. The (slower) alternative would be to select "PASSABLE" on the sky cube and deselect the "SOLID SKY" option in the map compiler dialog.

Re: 6.31.4 WED passable block bug (is fixed?) [Re: jcl] #62945 02/02/06 08:40 02/02/06 08:40
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,142 California Daedelus Senior Developer
Daedelus Senior Developer Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,142 California	Its not a problem with my card. As I stated earlier, the seams exist only when using the examples I listed above and when running 6.40/6.40.2. They do not appear at all when using 6.314. In the latest beta, there are no seams at all once I remove shaders using cubemaps that fake reflectivity, whereas they worked (seamless) in 6.314. Quote: Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I took your advice and unchecked the passable flag and rebuilt the level. The sky still gets hit by bullets. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- What are you trying to accomplish ? As for this question, Marco I just want things to work. In other words, how bad would it suck to make a shooter when your bullets hit the sky like its impenetrable? Again, didn't have this problem in 6.314. I'll try the "slower" method you suggested. -Whatever it takes. Formula Games - A place to buy and sell Indie games.

Re: 6.31.4 WED passable block bug (is fixed?) [Re: Daedelus] #62946 02/04/06 06:05 02/04/06 06:05
Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 27,986 Frankfurt jcl Chief Engineer
jcl Chief Engineer Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 27,986 Frankfurt	If you are really sure that you've disabled all underlying sky layers and still have seams, you can send your level for examination at support1(at)3dgamestudio(dot)com. However, seams normally indicate that you have a wrongly enabled sky color or layer. Because when nothing were rendered behind that sky, you could hardly see a seam.

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