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Re: God's Defense Strategy
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02/03/07 12:11
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I'm pretty sure that if a "human" form of God was prosecuted by a group of people, he would toast every person in that group. Seriously, I don't understand how people blame God for there problems. If it wasn't for him (or her, or it... whatever), we wouldn't exist and we wouldn't be complaing (or enjoying life). I'm not a religious person, but if this entity is the reason I exist in the first place, he's #1 in my books. We're never going to come up with an answer for anything relating to God. It's like counting to infinity... it's just not going to happen. Sure is fun to share views on philosophy tho  . edit: if God is using O.J. Simpsons lawyer, why doesn't he just use the chewbaka defense?
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Re: God's Defense Strategy
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02/04/07 21:08
02/04/07 21:08
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Well, the article probably shouldn't make a reference to the book that can't stand on its own, then. But, whatever.
Either way, I don't see as to how you can define God as complex. It depends on what you mean by complex. I'll probably have to check that book out sometime since I want to see the bigger picture now.
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"The task force finds that...the unborn child is a whole human being from the moment of fertilization, that all abortions terminate the life of a human being, and that the unborn child is a separate human patient under the care of modern medicine."
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Re: God's Defense Strategy
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02/04/07 23:25
02/04/07 23:25
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I'd really recommend it. No matter your original opinion, it will give you something to think about. His latest book is very good too. It's called The God Delusion, it may sound rather aggresive, but it does a great job at explaining his view even further. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWL1ZMH3-54Quote:
Either way, I don't see as to how you can define God as complex.
That's the problem with something that exists 'by definition'. In practise God is whatever people believe him to be. However the proposition of God being complex is simply one of many premises that are needed to be able to approach the matter in a logical, rational way. There's no sense in a non-complex being creating super complex things.
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Re: God's Defense Strategy
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02/11/07 18:29
02/11/07 18:29
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I'd really recommend it. No matter your original opinion, it will give you something to think about.
He better be fair-handed and thorough, however, or I'm going to be sorely disappointed. I read part of a review (of The God Delusion), where he cites a "president of a historical society in New Jersey" as saying, "As everyone knows, religion is based on Faith, not knowledge." As a Christian who believes that blind faith is unbiblical, I have to wonder what the deal is here? Why is Dawkins quoting someone who apparently has never studied the bible to understand what God has to say about faith? I suppose it would make it harder for Dawkins to cricize Christianity, but its intellectually lazy on his part. This is like whywontgodhealamputees.com using Marylin Hickey as a source for understanding prayer! She's a Word of Faith teacher....I mean, if there's anywhere to go to understand prayer, it isn't to a WoF minister. But I digress.
As a matter of fact, I am buying The God Delusion on eBay, and I'll probably hit up amazon for The Blind Watchmaker and (just because) Letter to a Christian Nation. Apparently the latter touches on the topic of biblical slavery, which should be good for a few laughs.
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That's the problem with something that exists 'by definition'. In practise God is whatever people believe him to be. However the proposition of God being complex is simply one of many premises that are needed to be able to approach the matter in a logical, rational way. There's no sense in a non-complex being creating super complex things.
I guess I'll have to see the way Dawkins puts it.
By the way, how many of you fundy atheists are planning on picking this up?
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"The task force finds that...the unborn child is a whole human being from the moment of fertilization, that all abortions terminate the life of a human being, and that the unborn child is a separate human patient under the care of modern medicine."
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Re: God's Defense Strategy
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02/11/07 19:44
02/11/07 19:44
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By the way, how many of you fundy atheists are planning on picking this up?
As I haven't read "The God delusion" either, I probably won't pick this up very soon. "The blind Watchmaker" is more interesting as it's a book about evolution, not about atheism.
Dawkins' goal is converting people to Atheism. He thinks that the world would be a better place without religion. In my opinion he's a century too late for that. Religion as it is understood today by the Christian main churches does no damage.
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