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Re: A7 prerelease for A6 users [Re: Clemens] #119056
03/25/07 13:34
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Guess you misunderstood Clemens, i'm not asking for a free copy. I just want to get in and get a taste of A7 too. I have my money ready for the upgrade A6 -> A7 Commercial. Furthermore, we are long time users and let not forget that we kind of supported the engine longer than those newcommers did. True we have A6 longer, but included were the problems

If someone purchase A6 right now or few months ago, it's really not bad idea to give them a free upgrade to A7 when its actually released. However, I think it is a little strange though that Conitec is now pre-releasing sth to those buyers and forget about us. Like we are not important anymore.

I'm sure there is a good explanation for this behind the scenes. Perhaps it cost Conitec more money to do both. I think if the newcommer download the trial (purchase license) and download the same upgrade as we did it would be more logical. Obviously I can't look inside Conitec office and didn't visit marketing meetings with them, so i'm not sure about reasons.


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Re: A7 prerelease for A6 users [Re: Clemens] #119057
03/25/07 13:37
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I had upgrade for 3 month for 100€ from my old A5 Com, and now the next upgrade for many €uros again?


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Re: A7 prerelease for A6 users [Re: XPress] #119058
03/25/07 13:47
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what im saying is your not going to be able to test it as well.


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Re: A7 prerelease for A6 users [Re: Bot190] #119059
03/25/07 15:51
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Nobody is getting A7 for free. Conitec has always offered users who bought a previous version a couple months before a new version is released the next version for free. This is a fairly standard practice I've seen at many places.

The mistake in this instance is giving these new users a "pre-release" version of A7. Older users shouldn't get this pre-release because then Conitec would be giving it away for nothing; however there should not have been a pre-release version for non-beta testers period. There should only be a final release version that everyone has access to on day one of official release (new users and upgrade users).


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Re: A7 prerelease for A6 users [Re: Tobias] #119060
03/25/07 15:54
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Hi Tobias,

I'm a owner of Conitecs Engine since A4 and this in com-editions, then
i have upgrade to A6 Pro (799€) and i think the new update will cost
me 450€ and that makes me not happy.

Frank

Re: A7 prerelease for A6 users [Re: Team_GamesArk] #119061
03/25/07 19:16
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Quote:

I'm a owner of Conitecs Engine since A4 and this in com-editions, then
i have upgrade to A6 Pro (799€) and i think the new update will cost
me 450€ and that makes me not happy.




If you don't need to upgrade, then don't. If you like A7 then you'll have to pay for it, be glad it's only 450€ and not 500€ or 600€, because not all companies give an version upgrade for half price ...

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Re: A7 prerelease for A6 users [Re: PHeMoX] #119062
03/25/07 20:32
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Then you don't have understood still? this is a strategy of sale, if the people buys the release A6 now, then can receive the release A7 free, we don't buy the release A6 two times, and then touches us wait for for the final release of A7, we don't want the release A7 for free, but at least to be worthy to test it!


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Re: A7 prerelease for A6 users [Re: PHeMoX] #119063
03/25/07 21:14
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Just to be clear on my points:

I do not expect an upgrade to A7 for free.
Getting a testversion is not important to me.
I started out with A5 standard, moved on to Commercial and then ended up buying the PRO version (can't recall if it was A6 or still A5 ... it's been sooo long).

I was merely inquiring about so-called pre-release pricing. This is something that is not uncommon. A company offers a new version for a special price NOW, to be delivered in, let's say, JULY. The company gets some working cash, the user gets a special price.

For example, I just purchased a pre-release upgrade of a 3D modelling application for 99$ that will cost 149$ afer it has been officially released.

I'm not asking for free lunches - just some free icing on my 3DGS-cake !

Many of us "old time users" have seen 3DGS evolve and were happy to support Conitec's efforts. Especially A6 has offered a very good basis for producing good quality 3D-applications (games, visualizations etc.). I'm looking forward to upgrading to A7 sometime in the future, but also have to admit that a special deal would have been nice (and please don't argue that the current upgrade scheme is such a "special deal" ... it has been Conitec's standard upgrade policy ... it's good ... it's standard for Conitec... therefore nothing special - in sense of "out of the ordinary").

Cheers,
Andreas


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Re: A7 prerelease for A6 users [Re: Salva] #119064
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Short story: it just doesn't work like that.

Quote:

we don't buy the release A6 two times




I understand neither do I, but the free upgrade to A7 is meant for either new customers or customers who've upgraded so recently that it would be unfair nót to give them A7 for free. It has nothing to do with customers who have bought A6 a long long time before A7. Those customers can get A7 at half price anyways, new customers don't have that luxury and the unfairness of buying A6 slightly before the release of A7 and not getting A7 is gone ... Sounds fair to me, sorry,

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I'm looking forward to upgrading to A7 sometime in the future, but also have to admit that a special deal would have been nice




The "special price" thing is so 1998, but yeah why not.

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Re: A7 prerelease for A6 users [Re: PHeMoX] #119065
03/25/07 21:41
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Quote:



Quote:

I'm looking forward to upgrading to A7 sometime in the future, but also have to admit that a special deal would have been nice




The "special price" thing is so 1998, but yeah why not.

Cheers




Go figure ... I'm just such a relic from the last millenium

Hmmm ... maybe good things don't need to be changed ? And it's still a valid marketing tool ... trying to get additional customers to purchase your product, who may otherwise elect not to do so.

The trick with that is trying to figure out at what time and at what price you will actually generate more revenue, because all the other people who would be willing to buy your product at the higher price will, of course, jump on the bandwagon and also buy at the lower price ...

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