But don't forget: Often some people want to have fun only. They want to have beautiful worlds right from the beginning, want to show some screen shots and impress their friends. They never will finish a game.

But some nice artworks and shaders can bring them fun. And to be honest: Most of the Conitec customers are that kind of fun-customers.

So true, in a way, I am one of them.

Cheers

Yes frank , here's the thing about shaders , adding a little bloom and the like are simple shaders which anyone can add , and will help the over all look. But normal mapping , is another thing , let me put it this way , after getting quotes from MANY modelers , a quote for a regular model with a texture is around 400-500, even 300 if you get a not so pro guy , now , a model with texture and a normal map will quote from 2000 to 3000 , and by normal mapping I mean "real" normal mapping , i.e. , creating a low poly model , then an extremely high poly model , and then get the normal map from the high poly model to use on the low poly one. It's so much more work to do , you HAVE heard of the 30 million dollar budgets dev teams are getting nowadays for making xbox360 and PS3 games right ? Normal mapping is USELESS if you make a normal map from a low poly model and apply it to itself , in fact , it's retarded to do so , and i've seen thats what many "indies" do think they now have the next gen normal mapping , when in fact that does little to nothing for the model and is a waste of time. Now , the 30 million dollar budgets are very real , and thats why games have shot up to $59 per title , all of the proffesional and commercial developers have stated how much more work it is to make the next gen games and how much more it costs , now this are the people who are making the games you see in the store , and make millions of dollars , and have millions of dollars in budgets , and they are stating how much harder it is development wise to make a next gen game. So how can "YOU"(someone with "NO" commercial game experience whatsoever , much less creating next gen games experience) say it's not much more difficult to add normal mapping and shaders to an indie game ? Are you stupid ? Unless your talking about the cheap fake normal mapping I mentioned earlier , which is "USELESS" and "POINTLESS". I think you should pull your head out of your ass before you speak Frank , and do research about the things your talking about , as I have yet you see any next gen games or models or any type of next gen art coming from you.

People, don't feed trolls and they will go away.

trolls are also people who go thru forums only looking to insult ideas/beliefs/techniques

Yes Frank , your games look like nintendo 64 games , how is possible that you can create all this killer next-gen art easily and none of your games can even be considered last-gen , they're more like ps1 games. Doesnt this contradict you completely ? If you can make such good art and easily , then why dont you put any of it into your game projets ? They clearly look like playstation 1 rejects , how can this possibly be , seriously , how ? I would appreciate an answer to that. To back what your saying , dexoft knight would need to look at least like God of War , and I do say at least , because your talking about art of the caliber of Gears of War or Resistance Fall Of Man. I would love to see you create such a game with gamestudio , if your as capable as you say , you should do it , who knows , you might be good enough to make it by yourself , and withought a budget , but as far as the everyone else goes , well for both of those titles they had at least 50 people working on the games with 30 million dollar budgets to make them , you must be some kind of super developer if you can do the same on your own and with no budget. Even the games before this next gen was were costing more than a pretty penny to make and had teams of over 50 people to develop them , yet you sit there and say that making next-gen art is nothing complicated , and is in fact easy and cheap. All this talk and nothing but sega saturn looking games, really backs up what you say , lol.
Still , dont know why I'm being portrayed as a troll , as I am merely stating pure facts , while Frank keeps stating pure thoughts.