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Re: Any Muslims here?
[Re: Kinji_2007]
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04/09/07 19:48
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Cool guy, he probably was real. But some guys could have just "Exagerated" the story.
I am not a devout Muslim, I just believe in one god and to be friendly to everyone.
I do not solve problems.... I prevent them.
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Re: Any Muslims here?
[Re: Hellcrypt]
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04/10/07 06:38
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"He did exist, but are the stories about him true?"
Thats the question. There WAS a jesus, but was any of the story true?
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Re: Any Muslims here?
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04/10/07 22:42
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I know that Qoran accepts Jesus as one of the prophets but I dont suppose that Qoran claims also that all the stories about Jesus are true
From the Koran:
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That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not :-
Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise;-
Koran 4:157-158
So, according to the Koran, there was no sacrifice.
Therefore, you have to work your way into heaven. 
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They say: "(Allah) Most Gracious has begotten a son!"
Indeed ye have put forth a thing most monstrous !
At it the skies are ready to burst, the earth to split asunder, and the mountains to fall down in utter ruin,
That they should invoke a son for (Allah) Most Gracious.
For it is not consonant with the majesty of (Allah) Most Gracious that He should beget a son.
The Koran
Sura 19:88-92 Maryam
So, understanding these scriptures from the Koran, then you can throw out the New Testament idea that:
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God loved the world and gave His Son for it.
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Just toss it out. According to the Koran God has no Son and you have to work to get to heaven.
Although the bible teaches that your works are indeed just dirty filth rags to a Holy God. 
It's a totally different concept of Gods personality for sure though. lol 
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Re: Any Muslims here?
[Re: Ran Man]
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04/11/07 00:07
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I'd like to give a quote about comparing Christianity with the Islam, since there's often this 'our religion is better' kind of talk on both sides..
In fact, Western Civilization has been mostly about getting away from the draconian laws of the Tanakh (aka "Old Testament"). And, yes, fundamentalist Christians are just as dangerous as fundamentalist Muslims. One need look no further than the Holocaust, the Thirty Years' War, the Inquisition, the witch trials, the heresy trials, and the Dark Ages to see how vicious Christian fundamentalists can be. Christianity probably set back Western Civilization by at least 1500 years (think Bruno, Copernicus and Galileo for starters). And the current ignorant assaults on the teaching of evolution show just how treacherous Christian fundamentalists can be!
@Ran_Man: You don't really know if Jesus was crucified.
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Re: Any Muslims here?
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04/11/07 00:24
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But Phemox the bible says He was crucified. The Koran conflicts with the bible directly. I was only quoting what the Koran says about Jesus and not trying to say my religion is better than any other. But, saying that fundamentalist Christianity is dangerous like fundamentalist islam is, well that is nonsense.  I simply don't see thousands of armed christians killing people in the name of their God. Do you? But, I wish not to bash Islam, but only to say what the Koran said about Jesus, because that is what was asked, right? lol I posted it. It's just a matter of knowledge I tried to share.
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Re: Any Muslims here?
[Re: Ran Man]
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04/11/07 01:22
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Just toss it out. According to the Koran God has no Son and you have to work to get to heaven.This made me believe you did compare it to show Christianity is 'better'. Anyways, that's irrelevant, I was saying it's simply equal in this respect, it's was more a general statement, not meant to be personal actually. Quote:
But, saying that fundamentalist Christianity is dangerous like fundamentalist islam is, well that is nonsense.
I simply don't see thousands of armed christians killing people in the name of their God. Do you?
Read the text in the Italics in my previous post again please, or are you saying thóse people were actually 'normal' Christians? In that case normal Christians are even worse.
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But Phemox the bible says He was crucified.
Aaah, the good old "the bible says so" argument ... *sigh*  ,
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Re: Any Muslims here?
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04/11/07 02:28
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No, they were not normal and were not christians either. First of all, every one of those instances are HISTORY. To make a claim like that, there should be at least one recent episode, yes? Quote:
I'd the Holocaust,
It happened 50 years ago historically, but I'd like to know what POPE declare that all Jews must die?
What pope did that? The pope <a spiritual leader> did not.
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the Inquisition, the witch trials, the heresy trials, and the Dark Ages to see how vicious Christian fundamentalists can be.
People cannot even read in those times.
We need to find a more recent example?
geez. 
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And the current ignorant assaults on the teaching of evolution
The fossil record is still missing --> Fish to Man, evidence.
If we all came from fish, then there is no evidence of that in the fossil record. It can still be disputed just from reasoning.
Anyways, off topic here.
Question:
Who is a Muslim here?
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If you are here, then remember we do love you guys.
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Please remember to not kill us okay? LOL
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