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Re: Former NASA engineer touts Creationism [Re: NITRO777] #147385
08/13/07 05:48
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First, an engineer is not a scientist. I have no idea why people always confuse the two.

Second, an aerospace engineer is especially not a biologist.

Third, it means very little that one engineer per several hundred believes in the literal creation story of his religion. You can certainly find an engineer who is a Scientologist, but that will not validate their totally whackjob religious mythology.

An aerospace engineer claiming that his profession somehow qualifies him as an expert in biology is as wrong as claiming that it qualifies him to diagnose medical problems or distinguish an original painting from a copy. It's nonsense.

Re: Former NASA engineer touts Creationism [Re: JetpackMonkey] #147386
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I think there are also scientists who believe in strange things. Scientists are affected by faith and superstition just like anyone else. There are scientists who believe in creation, a flat earth, UFOs, conspiracy theories etc. Of course a scientific education helps to overcome this, that's why much fewer scientists believe in those things than the rest of the population.

However I've even seen a video by a former astronomer (J. Lisle) who became creationist, and now told a lot of nonsense about astronomy. After a scientific education and career, he now spent his time propagating scientific arguments that could be refuted by any kid with a little astronomy knowledge. This shows the power of superstition.

Anyway: since all scientific creationsm arguments were refuted long ago, they can only argument along the line

1. It's in the bible
2. A NASA employee believes this too.

Re: Former NASA engineer touts Creationism [Re: jcl] #147387
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This shows the power of superstition.




This shows also the power of money. They build museums and libraries on top of un-proven assumptions.

Given the right amount of money alot of people would write crazy articles and misuse their scientific degrees. This happened in the past often and will happen in the future as well.

As long as it can be proven wrong at a glance it is not a big problem. Only un-educated people will fall into this trap. But they would also believe in other things instead. It makes no difference for them.


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Re: Former NASA engineer touts Creationism [Re: JetpackMonkey] #147388
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Second, an aerospace engineer is especially not a biologist.


Biology is not the only line of inquiry that is relevant to evolution.

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but that will not validate their totally whackjob religious mythology


I wasnt using this guy to validate anything.

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Anyway: since all scientific creationsm arguments were refuted long ago,


All scientific arguments? Thats a bit humorous, since not all scientific creationism arguments have been developed yet so how could they have all been refuted?

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Given the right amount of money alot of people would write crazy articles and misuse their scientific degrees. This happened in the past often and will happen in the future as well.



So what evidence do you have that this guy was somehow influenced by money? So they are all guilty of corruption without ever being put on trial? Thats a little tyrannical.

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As long as it can be proven wrong at a glance it is not a big problem.


Also Im a little stumped again. What has been proven wrong? And at a what glance?

Re: Former NASA engineer touts Creationism [Re: NITRO777] #147389
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LOL I'm afraid it's down to one dead scientist for creationist, 1000's alive against.


My hypothesis as to why there are more evolution scientists is because their are more un-Christians than Christians, it follows logically that there would be more evolutionists scientists.

1.Mainly the US born again Christians believe in a literal creation
2.US fundamentalist Christians are very much outnumbered in America and the world

Re: Former NASA engineer touts Creationism [Re: NITRO777] #147390
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2.US fundamentalist Christians are very much outnumbered in America and the world




And thank God for that!


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Re: Former NASA engineer touts Creationism [Re: Matt_Aufderheide] #147391
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And thank God for that!


Heh heh

Re: Former NASA engineer touts Creationism [Re: NITRO777] #147392
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you are all wrong..we came out of our moms

Re: Former NASA engineer touts Creationism [Re: zazang] #147393
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My hypothesis as to why there are more evolution scientists is because their are more un-Christians than Christians, it follows logically that there would be more evolutionists scientists.



Well I thought Creationism claims "scientific" reasons for rejecting evolution, and not only Christian faith? Anyway there are many Christian scientists, who have no problems to be a Christian and an evolutionist scientist at the same time.

Re: Former NASA engineer touts Creationism [Re: Tobias] #147394
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My hypothesis as to why there are more evolution scientists is because their are more un-Christians than Christians, it follows logically that there would be more evolutionists scientists.




Vice versa , there are more un-Christian than Christian scientists because there are more evolutionists scientists.
As you said yourself Newton ,same as many other scientists beleived in God
The reason is that, at the time, the hypothesis of God was reasonable , nowadays due to the last discoveries is getting less and less realistic

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