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Re: Former NASA engineer touts Creationism [Re: NITRO777] #147415
08/15/07 07:32
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Right, but because someone doesnt understand something it doesnt make them stupid..it might make them ignorant.




People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

But seriously: The very own nature of a scientist is to be open-minded, to read articles of other scientists every week and to get new ideas over the whole period of being a scientist. An ignorant scientist will extinct very fast since he / she will not respect all the other new findings in his theses.

A real scientist has no restrictions. No Einstein and no Darwin is a real restriction. If they prove Darwin wrong then Darwin is wrong, period. But they are also not bound to other books like the Bible as an example. If it proves wrong then it is wrong, period.

So this little story tells from the very own nature, personality and character that a creationism "scientist" cannot be a real scientis. He / she is bound to a particular book and cannot prove it wrong and will come to serious problems with the world out there anytime soon.

The only slight chance would be that this book is really a scientific truth made from a supernatural being with absolute knowledge. And that is probably your assumption.
But hey, look at those murder stories, violence, inbreeding and punishments. This is far from being a scientific literature. It is more a collection of warning and teaching stories. It stimulates to think about human nature. But dont draw too many interpretations out of it.


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Re: Former NASA engineer touts Creationism [Re: NITRO777] #147416
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They dont all get selected out, only the severely mutated organisms get selected out...






There are some features which can be either positive or negative depending on the enviromental condition
Take for example the color of the eyes
A blue eyed hunter can have some advantage over a black eyed one in poor lighting conditions and vice versa
The black eyed hunter will be therefore selected out even though I dont suppose that such feature can be classified as a severe mutation
Of course it takes generation and generation such advantage being almost neglible

Re: Former NASA engineer touts Creationism [Re: AlbertoT] #147417
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It dont have to be sorted out:

Black or brown-eye hunters might be better suited to hunt in the bright sun while another kind of eye with lighter color and another design might be better at night. So both mutations can exist.

This even can lead to: night-eyes use all sensors to see contrast / light but no colors. Day-eyes dont need all receptors for light and use a few for differentiating colors.

Both can have advantages.


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Re: Former NASA engineer touts Creationism [Re: Machinery_Frank] #147418
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Obviously you must take into account the average lighting condition the day or even the year long
It is a matter of fact that people and animals living in a dark ambients normally have light eyes
This is even much more evident for the color of the skin
Aside from recent migrations all the northen populations have a light skin and and all the southern populations a dark skin
Once again the reason is that a light skin gives a very small but non null advantage in cold and dark ambient and vicevers

I was just refuting the "black and white "Nitro's claim :

" only the severely mutated organisms get selected out "

It is definitly not true, simply it is hard for us to grasp what " 100.000 years" really means

Can you see the grass growing ?

Re: Former NASA engineer touts Creationism [Re: AlbertoT] #147419
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Can you see the grass growing ?




Yes I can. Out of my window is fresh grass and weather is perfect, warm and often rainy. It grows like crazy.

But seriously: I understand what you mean and I see it the same way as you, AlbertoT.


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