thanks again guys, and the shadows are all baked...I have considered using RT shadows..., but in the end it is slower and doesn't seem necessary. The level you see "York" is actually my testbed, not an actual level. There will be a town called York based on this test though. as far as help goes I could really use a terrain shader that works with more than 4 skins(BTW big thanks to loopix), and any tutorial is helpfull...I have a tutorial addiction...I'm still fighting with my inventory. I was going to use the rpg inventory from the contributions thread, but went back to my old one....I just feel dirty using others work(shaders aside)..