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Re: KOTAKU Article - Zoo Racing
[Re: Leonardo]
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01/19/08 14:42
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> do not sell the game for 17.77 and the soundtrack for 7.77 ^^ That is just wrong, and for a christian - somewhat inappropriate
I disagree that there's something wrong about that. It's okay for indie developers to charge that much in my opinion.
Well, here's my constructive criticsms: I think that probably the biggest issue getting attention here is in art direction. Clearly Ranman's got the skill and incredible determination to make, design and finish a game and that is unique, demands character and perseverance, and is worth a lot.
On the other hand, I think it's pretty awesome in its current state, maybe not for all the reasons it was intended it to be, but I =really= enjoyed it.
Kudos to Ranman for finishing his game and getting so much attention. Hopefully its cult status will bring in some good sales. I'll be lucky if I get a 10th of that much attention, if I finish my game at all.
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Re: KOTAKU Article - Zoo Racing
[Re: JetpackMonkey]
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01/19/08 15:54
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I didn't mean that it is wrong for a christian to sell a game, but it is definitely wrong to try to sell a game of this quality for 17.77 and hope that people will also want to buy a soundtrack. It just makes a person look incompetent and quite noobish, but that's just my opinion. And I for one, am not putting the game down because it is Christian. I am not a believer, quite the contrary, but I have no problem with it having christian content (although animal races combined with Noah's Ark sounds weird) ^^ The biggest mistake RanMan has done with this game, is actually thinking that the game is worth $17.77! And of course, as you and everyone else said - neglecting the comments about the graphics.
"Things of the mind left untested by the senses are useless."
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Re: KOTAKU Article - Zoo Racing
[Re: JetpackMonkey]
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01/19/08 17:20
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Leonardo
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Regardless of quality?? While the first part of your statement may be true, that doesn't mean that you can make a crappy game and sell it for $50  Heck, you wouldn't be able to sell a game like that for $5  Admit it, the game RanMan made, is not worth $17.77, and I'm not going to say anything about selling the soundtrack ^^ The expectations here are set much too high for a game of this quality
"Things of the mind left untested by the senses are useless."
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Re: KOTAKU Article - Zoo Racing
[Re: Leonardo]
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01/19/08 17:32
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The funny thing is that some very experienced, professional people from the 3dgs community (including me, haha) worked on this title. Quote:
Contributors from this forum are: Nitro777 - models and animations Dan Silverman - models Blatsallat - models and animations Excessus - shaders ISG - multiplayer <aborted> George, where is the tuts?
Other help: Rincewind - train models Realspawn - textures and models in trailor movie Jigalypuff - Bell model in above screenshot Stansmedia - Arches in the Priscilla's Place level
As you can see, no lack of talent.
Apparently, ralaimo (ranman) was aware that the game looks dated and asked me to improve that with shaders. I did tell him that the main problem lies in the level design and animation (not the art per se, the way it is played), and that a shader can't make bad art look good. Nevertheless he wanted shaders, so after some emailing we decided to do a per-pixel lighting shader, normalmapping shader, custom multitexturing shader and simple/cartoonish water shader. All of these shaders work properly, but I don't see them applied (properly) in any of the video's. (Bad blendmaps, no lights that affect the shader present, no shader applied at all, etc.) I did give a thorough explanation of how to apply the shaders.
After all I'm quite unhappy about my name being in the credits of a game that gets such bad response.
Nevertheless, I think the game is very funny and original. Ofcourse the whole concept is very looney, but that's intentional. Too bad the voice acting and dialog and animation and level design make it look very unprofessional.
With all the blog posts, at least he's getting plenty of exposure now 
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Re: KOTAKU Article - Zoo Racing
[Re: Excessus]
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01/19/08 17:43
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Well, as I understood from RanMan's posts, the people didn't have any influence on the design itself, you all just made additional parts of it (models,levels, etc.), right? If yes, then the game is what it is because of poor management ^^ And you say he wanted shaders? Why in the world would a game like this need shaders? You can't make a simple block with a default texture, apply a shader to it and wait while it somehow changes into something more.  And of course, the level design and sounds weren't that good, but what turned me off the most are the animations of the models, especially when the dude started to run round the library screaming "Race me, Hanna!"  The animation was way too fast. With a lot of work involved in this, the game could achieve playable status and hope to be a seller for small kids.  But that is not very likely, if RanMan does not change this whole "forget about the negative stuff, the game is fun" attitude.
"Things of the mind left untested by the senses are useless."
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Re: KOTAKU Article - Zoo Racing
[Re: JetpackMonkey]
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01/19/08 18:22
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Leonardo
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Stubborn is a bad thing to say? Oh come on, be realistic, stubborn isn't even an insult!  It's a characteristic! And also, I believe we have provided enough info to support our claims! Read the posts above 
"Things of the mind left untested by the senses are useless."
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