It´s not that easy, especially here in german.
Gamestudio is, by most people here, considered as a "click together" solution.
They can´t believe that it can be quite complicated.

This implies that the developers does not have the skill to do it "in the real way" --> c++ / XNA / whatever.
Furthermore it implies that it can´t be a big amount of work to do a game with GS.

There are some exceptions. People who know that there´s much more involved than clicking.
But they are the minority.

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This was my intention. I also think that "Zeitgeist" or anything like that could be a good solution.

What about "Weisswurst Engine" ? --> inspired by sauerbraten

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but it doesn't make 3D Gamestudio sound cool

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My Bad.
I forgot that cool sounding game engines is, after all, what game development is all about.

See my posting to HeelX's similar thread in Ask Conitec for a more in-depth analysis of why this is not a bad idea, but it won't achieve what you want.

@ventilator

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Haha... JCL, the head of "kindergarten engine".

Sad but true!!!

don't be rude.

forecast engine.

So far, most replied have been "just make a good game!" and I'm actually in total agreement about that ! At the same time, it doesn't change my wish that engine had a new image to go with the complete new A7 changes, though, and it does nothing to change the perception of the engine's validity in the game development community in general.

Believe me, fastlane, you are in the majority and Conitec will NEVER change the name anyway, because it's an extremely conservative company with little regard to marketing or image. Seriously. Is there even a marketing department or a real product manager who isn't a programmer or answers the phones part time? It's Conitec's mistake.

While Conitec's "PR" manager is cleaning toilets, watching TV, staring at the stain on the wall, or whatever they are doing instead of marketing, they could instead be getting their market share back from Torque. The engine's great, the dev team is obviously great, but good lord get a real product manager and marketing department!

I know, fastlane, Conitec could hire you to do their PR, you could go to tradeshows and improving gamestudio's image with your "just make better games and it will be okay" approach. You could make a big full page ad in Game Developer Magazine that says "3D GAMESTUDIO - If you don't like the sound of it, it's because you're not capable of making good quality games".

You have nothing to worry about and can continue to tell me how me, HeelX and other people are at fault because we are using the engine's bad name as an excuse. It's not like I haven't heard this before.

Because being affilitated with and using the technology of "the world's worst game" isn't really a liability, it's just me being a drama llama.

Another question: Do you think a new name to go along with all the new features of the next version of the new engine would spark new sales? I get the impression that Conitec's target audience is already well establish, repeat customers. But if there were a new name and press campaign, in places like Game Developer magazine, not only would it get cred ahd a brand new image, but people would probably buy a copy to check it out nand possibly they would get some of Torque's market share.

Increase the reputation? That's possible. Without JCL.
That's not rude... it's only the truth.

what has jcl to do with the reputation? not the reputation among the developers, but among those who say "eek, 3dgs is a child's toy engine"? what makes you think someone else would lift the image?

We dont need a better name, we just need a cool demo showing its potential.

I believe every new feature should be introduced by a cool mini-demo, with some marketing and great visuals.

Some good projects and demos are missing. The name does not make the reputation, the product and its results will do.

Obviously Conitec needs an artist in the team.

Why are we concerned about Conitec's marketing anyway. They are working hard to give us what we demand, and they do not seem to run out of money... for years...

Who says Conitec wants to go big? Growing bigger has it's consequences for every business. Conitec seems a very stable company to me. Doing exactly what it's community asks, you can't possibly ask for a better support on any product!

They probably save a lot of money on marketing because they already have a big community. Money they use to develop the engine to keep you happy. But now you are not happy because Conitec's marketing sucks...

Strange world.