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Re: Make "3D Gamestudio" sound cooler
[Re: Joozey]
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01/29/08 00:36
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@Nidhogg: I'm confused whether your reply is positive or negative, I'm sorry . Don't mix the forum community with Conitec. The forum can be harsh or ignorant, but almost everything everyone asks to JCL is answered, and I'm sure he and Doug read alot of the forum posts. I can't say anything about gamespace and it's support. I don't know anything about it or who created it.
Sorry Joozey, It's meant to be a positive one. basicily I mean that if people want to help improve the reputation of Gamestudio, why not pitch in and spruce up the models and come up with a good demo that shows of it's features. Can't blame JCL or Doug for not doing so as they are very busy keeping us happy with what we would like improved in the engine.
The support side was meant to state as I said. You get great support on the proviso that you do everything you can to help yourself first, "That's the bottom line" I have found that unless I can show that I have a least attempted and show code to prove I have tried, nobody answers. Sorry but that's how I see it and that's how it is. Which is fair enough, but can and does upset a lot of new users.
So maybe a more gentle approuch is need as far as new developers are concerned.
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Re: Make "3D Gamestudio" sound cooler
[Re: JetpackMonkey]
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01/29/08 00:38
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"3D Game Studio" sounds crappy, and oldschool.
i showed a Demo once to one of the Programmers at work, who was impressed. When he sked me: Did you write that game, and i replied, that is runs on the "3D Game Studio" Engine, he said: "Oh, isn`t that such a game-maker?".
He looked at me, as if I would say i made it with Microsoft QBasic.
Gamestudio simply associates with a "click together" game-maker, and it has a bad image due to lots of crappy hobby games, that many people saw before. The good games are not really noticed / remembered to come from the same engine.
Conitec should rethink its maketing approach and make a new brand-name, (and Hompage), to adress the "Apple IPod" generation, where style plays a big role.
And I can suggest, that publishers will simply discount a product simply by "its made with a gamemaker", and thus bargin for a lower compensation of the developer. And by this (simply by the gamestudio name) it lowers the attraction to use the engine for serious development. Changing the name is not hard. And as suggested, the more Costly packages (eg Pro) should get a new branding. Casual hobby programmers can still grap for the known gamestudio "starter" versions. But they will less likely look for the costly Releases right away.
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Re: Make "3D Gamestudio" sound cooler
[Re: Damocles]
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01/29/08 00:47
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Gamestudio simply associates with a "click together" game-maker,
And that is also one of it's main goals, or so to say, was . Though we demand alot of new features to compete with torque and others, 3d gamestudio's main target was the artist and newbie audience, to make a game with just a few clicks. It was really their goal, and I almost got the feeling that the community changed the goals into their own demands . Not that it is a bad thing nowadays (you wont make it very far with a clicktogether game without satisfying the pro users) but back then it could have been a great hole in the market.
Maybe this is where Gamestudio fell in it's own hole, and now is stuck with a bad reputation. But time shall heal, I'm sure of that.
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Re: Make "3D Gamestudio" sound cooler
[Re: Joozey]
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01/29/08 00:52
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"Flash" or "Shockwave" also follow such an easy approach for hobby developers. But they still sound more sexy than "3D Game Studio". And Gamestudio can realize more complex projects than them... Think about it: Apple! They would never be so succesfull today, if their Products would be called Musicplayer FI2. and look like that: no they look like that: They are not technologically so much more advanced, the products simple have a much better style and feeling maketed to the public. Apple simply understood at one point how to marked and style pretty casual technology in a "right" way. People simply look for style nowerdays.
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Re: Make "3D Gamestudio" sound cooler
[Re: broozar]
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01/29/08 02:15
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Can't call it 3D anyway, It needs 3D sound as well to be called 3D or at least 3D virtual sound. So by rights it's just a 3D graphics game engine, Am I right?
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