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Re: Make "3D Gamestudio" sound cooler
[Re: Wicht]
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01/29/08 09:58
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"3D GameStudio" sounds old-school because it shouldn't need to advertise the "3D" part this century.
i'm happier to refer to it as "GameStudio" because it sounds less old-school, and i understand it being called "GameStudio" because it's not just an engine.
however i'd like the option to name the window myself because most games will have their own title on the window (and the minimize bar).
or i'd at least like the option to put "A7" because, apart from the fact that it sounds cooler, "3D Gamestudio" or "GameStudio" makes the bold implication that i use the whole studio and not just Lite-C and the "A7 engine" that powers 3D GameStudio.
i don't.
i like how concise "A7" is, and i'm more than happy to refer to it as that. i don't mind the 3D GameStudio brand name. the only thing i don't like is giving the impression that i use some all-in-one studio to make my game, when i don't.
keep the name, but i'd like to be able to use "A7" for the window title, or even better, my own title.
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Re: Make "3D Gamestudio" sound cooler
[Re: Slin]
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01/29/08 11:33
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Why is the name of 3D gamestudio this important? People here should really care more about features of the engine and concentrate on making their games the best they can with the tools they have at their disposal.  Just say you use a middle-ware engine, publishers really rarely care about the engine as long as the game is any good. They will be more interested in demos and other showcase material and perhaps design documents anyways. In fact, mostly saying you're using a 3D engine is enough on the subject of engines anyways, as Fastlane69 said most of the publisher probably won't really know 3DGamestudio anyways. Quote for truth: Quote:
And about 50% didn't know 3DGS and the other 50% predictably called it hobbyware. The ones who didn't know where mildly curious about it's feature set and then moved onto the game. The ones who did know, after a few minutes talking about it, they did NOT have that opinion and agreed that their opinion was second hand and not borne of using the product.
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Re: Make "3D Gamestudio" sound cooler
[Re: Slin]
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01/29/08 11:38
01/29/08 11:38
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cool  i don't see it on the beta page though. or maybe it's an old option and i've just missed it julz
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Re: Make "3D Gamestudio" sound cooler
[Re: Nidhogg]
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01/29/08 15:02
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Why is the name of 3D gamestudio this important? People here should really care more about features of the engine and concentrate on making their games the best they can with the tools they have at their disposal.
Here here... I totally agree.
That sounds good in theory, but wait til you are showing your demo at a development event or publisher-developer event, when a producer shows interest and asks more about it, you say you made it in Gamestudio.. watch their faces drop and hear that awkward reluctance, you will feel different.
When/if it happens to you, you'll understand.
I expect 5 more replies to this with "FOCUS ON YOUR GAME!" "PRODUCERS DON'T CARE!" and "Obviously your work isn't good enough and you are using this as an excuse!". That all sounds good superficially, but when you get that frown of disapproval, you will know what I am talking about.
There is no escaping the bias against gamestudio. Sorry.
This is why, at least Pro, needs rebranding to get away from "Authoring games has never been easier!" Authoring suggests "no programming" which is far away from the truth of Gamestudio development.
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Re: Make "3D Gamestudio" sound cooler
[Re: JetpackMonkey]
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01/29/08 15:40
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This is why, at least Pro, needs rebranding to get away from "Authoring games has never been easier!" Authoring suggests "no programming" which is far away from the truth of Gamestudio development.
actually, that was the catch phrase why i first got it. maybe you have already grown out of the acknex shoes...?
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Re: Make "3D Gamestudio" sound cooler
[Re: JetpackMonkey]
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01/29/08 16:05
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That sounds good in theory, but wait til you are showing your demo at a development event or publisher-developer event, when a producer shows interest and asks more about it, you say you made it in Gamestudio.. watch their faces drop and hear that awkward reluctance, you will feel different.
When/if it happens to you, you'll understand.
I expect 5 more replies to this with "FOCUS ON YOUR GAME!" "PRODUCERS DON'T CARE!" and "Obviously your work isn't good enough and you are using this as an excuse!". That all sounds good superficially, but when you get that frown of disapproval, you will know what I am talking about.
There is no escaping the bias against gamestudio. Sorry.
This is why, at least Pro, needs rebranding to get away from "Authoring games has never been easier!" Authoring suggests "no programming" which is far away from the truth of Gamestudio development.
I understand where your comming from. some of us do it for a hobby
develop a game here and there and stay away from the big developing companies as we are happy with just the few extra dollars.
While others want to take it further and go the whole hog.
Get there product published by some major company EA,Sierra etc.
So they don't want to be branded as a person who can't "develop a game without using point and click".
As far as that's concerned, I for one can do without the headaches
of companies being more demanding of a more dazzleing wow look at that
for the next project, The extra paperwork of doing taxes and all the other blah blah blah. Been there done that in a sort of fashion.
I used to own a hardware and software business, You wouldn't believe the amount of crap you have to go threw when you get involed
with major software distributors.
Anyway all I am trying to say is that it looks like a 50/50 split
as to who thinks it's neccessary and who doesn't.
Users who want to go far, want the options.
Users who aren't all that concerned about mega bucks are happy with
the way things are. Am I right 
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Re: Make "3D Gamestudio" sound cooler
[Re: broozar]
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01/29/08 17:55
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This is why, at least Pro, needs rebranding to get away from "Authoring games has never been easier!" Authoring suggests "no programming" which is far away from the truth of Gamestudio development.
actually, that was the catch phrase why i first got it. maybe you have already grown out of the acknex shoes...?
No, and this is the problem. "Acknex shoes" are now big enough to accomodate professional developers, but the packaging still says "made for kids."
Indie developers who should be using A7 are skipping it for Torque just because they see that "made for kids" reputation, and dismiss the engine without seeing how it has grown, when it is actually a superior middleware engine (which it is, with its superior art path, excellent scripting language and ABT scene management, and 0 royalties).
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