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fitna #190632
03/28/08 18:25
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i think many people already heard of it

second i know i cant so racime and hate on this page but i think you just need to know

just look the english ore ducht movie

its just old news but different

http://www.fitna.tv/

open for comments

if i dont may so they page just delete it


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Re: fitna [Re: flits] #190633
03/28/08 18:47
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I think it's oke to post it since the best way of handling this is via the methode of speak
I've not fully seen the film yet (dunno or I even will watch it to the very end) but I think Wilders is making abit of a scene.
I mean, all religions have made mistakes in the past which we all have done but this film just exaggerates that aspect. It's just simply about respect. Off course, the act of free speach is important too thus I think the heavy discussed cartoon is still acceptable but now he's just asking for trouble IMHO. Luckily, I've heard that muslims from the Netherlands and Belgium have responded at a more smarter way
You see it's possible

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Re: fitna [Re: frazzle] #190634
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The movie is pathethic, glued together images and videos of terrorist attacks ment to trigger emotions, but I've barely seen anything related to our country. I was seraching for some true facts and discussionpoints, but haven't found any. This video, therefore, is ment to emphatize our problems instead of an attempt for solving them, and Wilders uses hate-emotions to win people for his ideas. A dutch politician should bring solutions, not whine that things go bad.

He used the cartoon of the swedish man without his permission, and he may be sued for that. Also used the picture of a rapper and represented him as Mohammed B (which is the murderer of Theo van Gogh). I wouldn't be too happy if I were this rapper.

He should stick to politics.


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Re: fitna [Re: Joozey] #190635
03/28/08 22:07
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... He used the cartoon of the swedish man without his permission ...




In my response, I didn't ment in the film itself but about the cartoon in the Swedish newspaper.
Just to be clear

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Re: fitna [Re: frazzle] #190636
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Yeah I know, but fact is that he used stuff without asking permission . Wasn't trying to get you involved into my rant .

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Re: fitna [Re: Joozey] #190637
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the movie is removed because off...

if you want to se the movie you need to fid it yourself

it nots that wilders is antikoran its that he lets see that if we go let do some people there go the gona kill use there kids even get hypnotised that we are dirty pigs and that we need to be killed

and then to think that the bibles and koran came from the same book
i dont know whats in the koran i dont read moslims but i guesd its almost the same as in the bible

so the bible say dont kill people
and have respect for other people

but i think wilders had to do it a lilte differend


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Re: fitna [Re: flits] #190638
03/29/08 09:23
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I only watched the first part of the movie via youtube, then I had enough of it.

IMHO, the makers of this clip are to some point actually right - now before you start yelling and calling me a racist pig read further.
The people who are talking in the movie almost certainly have the most radical views in all of the islamic world. They say that their fellow muslims should kill infidels, prefarably Jews, because Allah that would be what Allah wants from them.
Now - honestly - such an extreme fundamentalistic view on things is unacceptable. Being so fanatic about religion will lead to pain and suffering for many people, including the members of their own religion.
Now, the problem that I have with the movie, is that it narrows down the muslims to hatefilled animals, that even teach their children that they will have to fight the infidels by all means necessary, and that it - in gernal - narrows down the view on the muslims themself.
For the first part, I am sure that the majority of muslims are not even a bit as radical as these preachers in the clip are. I happen to know a few of them, and besides that they believe in slightly different things then christians and have different habits then christians, they are actually no different at all. All the muslims I know take their religion very seriously, including praying five times a day, travelling to the holy cities, and all in all following - as far as I know - all the rules of the Quran that apply to them.
Secondly, and that is the saddest part about the clip, the makers decided just to show muslims as the aggresors. As far as I am concerned, christians have caused much more suffering in the world then the Islam has or ever will. Whilst the Islam was a peaceful religion, the christians perpared for the crusades, killed a multitude of jews, burned "witches" and so on. If you would count the causualties that both religions have caused, the Islam would not look that aggressive at all.
All in all, the movie is, as I said, right about hate-preachers being dangerous, but since it does not take all the positive sides of the Islam and the negative sides of the rest of the world into account, it is just another racist, bullsh*t movie that noone should take seriously.

Re: fitna [Re: padrino] #190639
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said, right about hate-preachers being dangerous, but since it does not take all the positive sides of the Islam and the negative sides of the rest of the world into account, it is just another racist, bullsh*t movie that noone should take seriously.




a positive side on the islam? name me ONE...

that only shows that ANY religion, may it be a good idea or a bad one, is twisted by man. its like any other thing on this planet, that might be a good idea. some people come along and twist and turn it to their needs,to justify their evil things. i dont say that the islam is bad, i jsut say that the islam is the perfect opportunity for sickos, antisemits and racists to live out their wild fantasies. like the christs were a few hundret years ago...

Re: fitna [Re: padrino] #190640
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The movie looks very cheap almost as if it was made by some bored person on a rainy sunday. Just taking video clips from various websites such as Youtube. Don't know what is worse, our MP Balkenende crying for help all over the world and talking about some crisis or this crappy movie which tries to make people believe the whole world is going to be taken over by islam religion.

Everyone should be allowed to believe in whatever they like and respect if someone have a different point of view. Guess there always be extremist who take it a step further while hiding behind some popular religion or group to defend their goals, but these actions by individuals don't speak for everyone.

Joozey: This rapper "Salin Edin" also made a violent song about a bullet in Wilders and actualy imitated the killer of Theo van Gogh to promote his cd. Personally I think that kind of attitude is somewhat retarded even though he does it out of commercial interest.


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Re: fitna [Re: D3D] #190641
03/29/08 15:10
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Joozey: This rapper "Salin Edin" also made a violent song about a bullet in Wilders and actualy imitated the killer of Theo van Gogh to promote his cd. Personally I think that kind of attitude is somewhat retarded even though he does it out of commercial interest.




May be, but a politician making so much commotion about a 15 minutes movie and making such mistakes just isn't believes worthy anymore. Come on. A dutch politician who doesn't know who did what in his own country? Even so, why didn't he just google it first?

If Wilders start to get many votes because of this movie, it's time to immigrate to Ireland or so, Netherlands is full of morons.


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