Good point Joozey.
My point is on standby until then.
Do some research on the H-R diagram so that when we do get to it, you'll know what I'm talking about.

The Mayans said that it would be the end of the World as we know it time will no longer exist, we measure time as linear it takes X amount of time to get from A to B "It will not be the end of the world as many others would like to believe" it will just mean that traveling from A to B would be unmeasurable there for it took no time from A to B there for time didn't exist.

"Do some research on the H-R diagram so that when we do get to it, you'll know what I'm talking about."

I will look into it right now , and will post my thoughts on it in the new thread i'll make. Depending on how much reading I have to do for this I might post today or tomorrow ,it's past 3 am so heading to bed soon.

"The Mayans said that it would be the end of the World as we know it time will no longer exist"

I've read a lot on the Doomsday theory , though I dont think I had run into that theory, sounds interesting though. There are many theories on what might happen , some say the polar shift , that might cause the earth's crust to rotate itself over the mantle to realign itself. It's actually a possibilty , but hopefully not , since it would be very bad news for us. Then we have the end of the wobble , and we have the solstice that will align the north pole to the black hole in the center of our galaxy.

I dont know if anything will happen , it could be coincidence , it is possible the Maya people just thought having their events calendar go all the way to 2012 was enough timespan for the calendar , it's the date they calculated all the cosmical alignments were the same as their date of creation. One thing is for sure , there is something VERY strange about the precision the Mayans had in astronomy , they only had their EYES , lol , no hubble , not huge telescopes , and they knew about things that we have barely come to know in the past 10 years, that is INSANE. It is truly unexplainable , it is 100% impossible for this to have been , but they left the evidence engraved in stone , so we can't deny their knowledge.

It is very strange too , that they attributed their knowledge Kukulcan (feathered serpent), their legends tell he taught them medicine , agriculture , astronomy , and about how a civilization works in general. He was believed to have come from the waters , stayed with Mayans for some time , then left again , saying he would return in time. The strange thing is , he is described by the Mayans , and , he is a caucasian bearded man. How could this be ? The Aztecs had that same god as well , exept they called him Quetzalcoatl , but the story is very similar and he is a white bearded male as well.

And the Mayan's arent the only one with this type of god , if you go back as far as you can go , you reach Sumer , and what a strange coincidence , Sumerian gods are caucasian bearded men as well , if you dont know where Sumer is it's in Iraq , we was , it is considered to be the first civilization on earth. They also attributed their knowledge to the gods , and even have an engraved tablet that shows one of the gods giving them their plow for agriculture. This are some of the most puzzling facts archeologists have ran into , and till today many just dont know what to make of them , but there was definately something very strange happening in the past, specially when you consider technically by scientists men have been here for a LONG time (not exactly sure how long at the moment but I think it's over 100,000 years) , and yet , all of a sudden , around 5000 years ago , a civilization emerged , Sumer , and this newly formed civilization had , agriculture , religion , law , traditions , astronomy/astrology , a writing system , language , schools , monetary system , basically EVERYTHING we have today withought technology, well withought electronics , they did have their tools. Sumer and the Mayans and Egyptians are definately surrounded by mystery , and make some of the most interesting subjects of study.

But in short , the Mayan astronomy definately shouldnt just be ignored ,their year calendar is more precise than the one we have in use today , knew about things our astronomers have just come to find recently , and predicted events thousands of years in the future , and with 100% precision, there is , however , no evidence pointing to the Mayans saying the world would end this day.

Well I looked into it some right now and dont see whta it's suppossed to prove.

"Contemplation of the diagram led astronomers to speculate that it might demonstrate stellar evolution"
Might

"In the 1930's and 1940's, with a understanding of hydrogen fusion, came a physically-based theory of evolution to red giants, and white dwarfs. By this time, study of the Hertzsprung-Russell diagram did not drive such developments but merely allowed stellar evolution to be presented graphically."
Yes

So what does this prove ?

From what I understood it lets scientists calculate the distance of the star to earth , shows the temperature , magnitude and luminosity of the stars. What does this prove ?

I will look for more information on it tomorrow , but from what I saw right now , it doesnt really show any support for the big bang.

But in turn fastlane , see the movies in the links I posted a couple of days ago , I know you didnt see them , so check them out.

It's nonsense in your eyes because you don't understand anything about evolution. Seriously, natural selection happens because of their habitat, food supply, natural enemies and whether or not you can adapt to changes. Apparently (and DNA proves this as much as it proves that we are evolved from apes), a lot of species survived by changing into quite different species. You should look more into this 'why' question you have and try to understand how evolution works. It's pointless to even discuss this if you don't understand evolution's most basic principal.

Also, why oh why do some whales go look for a beach to crash on (even though that will kill them)? According to some experts it's partly their rudimentary instincts at work from the time when they were more like sea-lions.

Also, they are simply a surviving branch of evolution. Look at sharks, they are such a surviving branch too and extremely successful at it I might add. Biggest difference is that sharks didn't change that much because their environment didn't change that much. Really, not every 'old' species will go extinct by definition.

By the way, you are seeing huge leaps, because you don't realize that evolution is a gradual process. We could show many many many more transitional forms, but all you would do is ask for even more in between. It's pointless, you don't except them as intermediary species anyways.

Cheers

Until baited again properly?

Does the hand of mercy stay your next blow?
Is there wisdom behind a guise of hesitation for knowledge requirements?

HR-diagram: monkey see, monkey do

Ah yes, the white devil travels between spaces now, and desecrates time by playing god, Merlin and Santa Claus to Mayan, Aztec and Sumerian.
All the members of those civilizations went to sit with Arthur in the holy site of Christmas Gehenna. There, as the slaves and flesh toys of new sadistic gods, they learn to advance and suffer.
Have they returned yet?

Indeed, the nature of humanity can be represented by a combination of stenchy notions offered by a member of the species:
The human species supposedly evolved from a strain of modified "armpit bacteria" (term armpit used for effect here) left by an interstellar pest. The pest and bacteria are considered unintelligent by common standards, but by human standards, both possess god-like intelligence.
All three are pests, but in comparison, the human species is barely worth mentioning.

Vain, arrogant, ridiculously conflictive, leeching upon itself, petty and destructive, consumed by greed, ignorance and foolishness, ruled by dumb impulse, bloated ego, and flash assumptions, mired in mindless loops and blind routines, bluntly competitive in its own numbers to no positive affect, easily leashed and sparked by a few of its own, the human species will select itself out easily.

The sooner the better. How can these shells be tolerated for so long?

Through the use of its technology (if it can be called that), the species will produce affects detrimental to the whole of itself and its sphere of influence.
The species is an absurd, but harmless artifact of interstellar pest migration.

The path of order and salvation holds steadfast like the topic here.

Ease up. Go relax. Pick an insect off your associate and eat it. It's fiction.

Please send a notification (memo) if and when the topic returns to:
"Best Black Hole Earth Sucking Day T-Shirt design"
or
*(LHC)Large Hadron Collider
*physics
*Earth <- the endangered species
*large scale end of the world death parties, orgies, sacrifices, etc. with black hole theme

Thanked every thread participant separately and personally in advance for playing secretary and memo distribution specialist.

First of all, generally this whole doomsday theory is an interpretation based on what Mayans might have believed. It's vaguely derived from texts (the Mayan hieroglyphics are multi-interpretable and to be honest, not yet deciphered) and their calculations (the calculations are deciphered entirely).
What they really thought is pretty vague, unclear and probably simply incomplete, especially because the Mayans knew what would happen in terms of astronomy.



Which makes no sense at all because the Mayans knew the 26.000 years wobble was cyclic in nature. They for sure didn't believe in time being reversed or something.

It's not meant to. That's not my point.



Awaiting the new thread...



30mins to an hour of watching your movie vs. the few minutes it took you to google "H-R diagram"... hardly seems balanced, don't you think?
But in all fairness, I'll spend the same amount of time watching your movies as you spent investigation the H-R diagram.
Fair?

Just repost them here (if about LHC) or in new thread (if about Evo) so I can watch them. There is no WAY I'm going to scour through all these posts to find a movie... and then find I'm watching the wrong one! LOL

WTF Testdummy.... this actually made sense!!!!




Save it for the new thread; don't waste your breath here.