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Re: for those who dont believe most gamers have decent video car [Re: lostclimate] #215344
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I purposely develop on a machine that most real gamers would scoff at. I would like the average player with a four or five year old pc or a decent laptop to be able to meet the requirements.

Google Analytics is a good method to see what your game audience is. There is a lot of info about who, where, OS, screen res, etc., for the daily downloads from your site. And its free.

Re: for those who dont believe most gamers have decent video cards [Re: broozar] #216777
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Originally Posted By: broozar

because geamedev is a relatively small community (1024 votes...) and not representative.


Not only
It is a comunity of Game developers rather than of game players


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Re: for those who dont believe most gamers have decent video cards [Re: AlbertoT] #216831
07/19/08 02:14
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"Game developers" many hobbiest game devs dont have up to date cards, just check and see how many people on this forum are running pre nvidia 6 series/ pre ati x300 series cards. definately too many. also, as in most surveys you cant have everyone vote, so you take a sample, thats how surveys work.

Re: for those who dont believe most gamers have decent video cards [Re: lostclimate] #220833
08/10/08 05:04
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I'm with JazzDude, I want to actually sell my games to a wide audience...

and I'm not Einstein, but it doesnt take a brain to realize what folly it is to compete against the AAA developers who do use high level shaders like the ps vs 100.3 or whatever.

If your indie games with your ultra high level shaders can compete with the AAA titles out there, have at it!

But we havn't even seen anything like that here at GS. I think I'll stick to desirable themes and fun gameplay instead of worrying about top notch eye candy.

Keep in mind also, we still don't even have a reliable, low FPS and fully functional normalmapping shader for GS, and if we do, it's only for A7 which not everyone has yet.

So I don't even know what all the hoopla is about in the first place :P

I wanted to try normalmapping in the next couple projects... but not when it doesnt work well.

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Re: for those who dont believe most gamers have decent video cards [Re: BlueBeast] #220834
08/10/08 05:53
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well the question is more whether or not cards with lower than shader 1.0 are a necessity to support, not whether or not to try and make "uber graphics". personally i dont mind fallbacks, and lod, and optimizations etc... but there is a margin to it like there is a margin to everything, if i make a detail slider that will allow my game to be optimized for both pc's made in 2000, and pc's made yesterday, but my game takes 15 years to release, whats the point?

Re: for those who dont believe most gamers have decent video cards [Re: lostclimate] #220835
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I don't have much faith in polls. I think hardcore gamers have good cards and people who buy new systems have decent setups for gaming. Maybe not ideal, but better than nothing. Your average joe that plays games is not going to invest money in a video card on any kind of regular basis. They might not care or they may be uneducated and not even realize what a 3D card even is. They may not be able to afford it, etc.

Anyway, real gamers will upgrade, but I don't think your average user will do so every time Company A releases the latest greatest; thus that's why you should not shoot for the moon when you create something and why I have no faith in polls with a tiny 1000 hits (there are millions upon millions of PCs of all kinds out there....1000 hits doesn't represent anything). There are a LOT of old systems out there with owners that are not replacing their cards and probably never will until they buy a new system, and that doesn't happen too often either.

A lot of us on here live in a bubble. We upgrade because we are gamers and/or developers. We think because it's normal for us to do it that EVERYONE is doing it or at least most. I simply don't think that is the case.


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Re: for those who dont believe most gamers have decent video cards [Re: Orange Brat] #220837
08/10/08 06:51
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"thus that's why you should not shoot for the moon"

again tho, thats not whats Im questioning, im just wondering why people get upset when you put a requirement of shader 1.4/2 on a game.. thats not even close to shooting for the moon.

Re: for those who dont believe most gamers have decent video cards [Re: lostclimate] #220884
08/10/08 14:04
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im just wondering why people get upset when you put a requirement of shader 1.4/2 on a game
who cares if they get upset. Make your game your way and let them adapt to you. Instead of making their game their way. Thats my opinion. I know that it is a lot easier said than done but in the end you just need to get your product done, and let all us hardcore gamers play it. grin

Re: for those who dont believe most gamers have decent video cards [Re: NITRO777] #220889
08/10/08 14:42
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Nobody makes games that can run on an old Atari anymore (well, perhaps, except our beloved ex- forum member Ulillillia :D).
It will take only a few years until nobody makes games with shader 1.0 anymore either.

So, it's fine if you want to create a game with 1.0 shader support... it merely means you're a dying species anyway. laugh

Oh btw, how many of us can produce a good working (not to mention good looking) 3.0 shader at all?
... I stick at developping non-shader games smile.


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Re: for those who dont believe most gamers have decent video cards [Re: Joozey] #220903
08/10/08 18:36
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what's wrong with ps/vs 2.0? just make sure it can be run on a radeon 9600/x3100/gf8200 in middle/low quality mode.

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