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Re: Make MMOLove, not MMOWar. [Re: MrGuest] #222741 08/20/08 19:39 08/20/08 19:39
Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,829 Neustadt, Germany T TWO Serious User
TWO Serious User T Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,829 Neustadt, Germany	This different connection "types" (server -> cl, server -> server) are handled best with a peer architecture. This means that there are only peers which can connect to any other peer. From my experience I know that this makes multi-server system a lot easier ( compared to other solutions like interprocess communication ).

Re: Make MMOLove, not MMOWar. [Re: TWO] #222747 08/20/08 20:40 08/20/08 20:40
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EpsiloN User Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 968	I have no idea what fastlane 'needs' , but I'm not talking about a base to build on to. When I got myself into this , I wanned to create games easely , without knowledge of higher languages. I do not need to learn C++ in order to create a MMO. If I was able to create a MMO networking in C++ I would never use 3DGS. I would work in a team that is capable of providing its own engine & functionalities...Please , talk about features only , because this isnt getting us anywhere. Another problem I ran into... BEWARE LONG EXPLANATION When I needed to update separate clients , I used 3 skills to identify if the particular client has moved. If it had , I updated this clients entity to another client nearby. This works well , but it updates every client to one another , no matter if they moved. If I had to 'mark' that client as 'already updated' , I had to re-set the skills to match the possition. This unfortunately made it impossible for updating to further clients on the list , because it was already marked as 'updated'. The 'workaround' is to define (for 1000 clients...) 1000 arrays with 3000 elements each , to store the possitions relatively to every client. This means that I have to go thru all that data to check if a client has moved , and use around 8 str instructions with execute 3000 times per client for 1000 clients. I dont even dare trying I dont know if this is possible , or even if this procedure already has a name , but I'd like to use something easyer that does the same job someday. If only we could define and call arrays like skills for each entity... Extensive Multiplayer tutorial: http://mesetts.com/index.php?page=201

Re: Make MMOLove, not MMOWar. [Re: FBL] #222773 08/20/08 23:25 08/20/08 23:25
Joined: Sep 2002 Posts: 8,177 Netherlands PHeMoX Senior Expert
PHeMoX Senior Expert Joined: Sep 2002 Posts: 8,177 Netherlands	Originally Posted By: Firoball - a lobby system - "ranged" network functions which only update entities within a definable range on each client to keep traffic to a minimum Another vote for the lobby system, showing lists of server is by far the most user friendly solution to joining a multiplayer game. The age of knowing how to find and type in an ip to join is more or less over as far as the mainstream public goes. Also the problem that clients can connect and crash servers is a huge problem that needs to be addressed. It�s basically a huge security flaw of the multiplayer system if you ask me. Apart from that, I�d like to see more features optimizing general multiplayer traffic. I would be more specific about what exactly I�d like to see implemented, but I do not know much about multiplayer architecture tricks and how to get it all more optimized in terms of the underlying technical aspects. PHeMoX, Innervision Software (c) 1995-2008 For more info visit: Innervision Software

Re: Make MMOLove, not MMOWar. [Re: PHeMoX] #222783 08/21/08 00:00 08/21/08 00:00
Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,377 USofA fastlane69 OP Senior Expert
fastlane69 OP Senior Expert Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,377 USofA	Watching... waiting... and loving what I'm seeing so far! FUTUR-E-SCAPE: The Future Landscape of Education and Entertainment.

Re: Make MMOLove, not MMOWar. [Re: fastlane69] #222806
08/21/08 02:04 08/21/08 02:04

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Code:

summary attempt:
sources:
http://www.coniserver.net/ubb7/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=222274
http://www.coniserver.net/ubb7/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=222556
fastlane69, Oxy, jcl, and other users

issues:
*DPLAY (!MMOG compatible!?)
	how?
	Directplay network libary is slow or unreliable!?
		references please
*data corruption
	inability to prevent connection and injection of invalid dat
	clients should not crash server
*global entity update
	the server should send updates only to a subset of clients in a zone!?

features!? + corrected issues!?
*client update
	single
	group
	all
*Direct Play (replace)
	with!? (i.e. Raknet, Enet, ...)
*file transfer
	protocol? (i.e. FTP)
*intra-server communication
*lobby system
	list of servers; direct input of ip is dusty
*MySQL integration (native)
*network diagnostics panel (improve)
*pure_networking = on; default = off
	conn establish; confirm for both client and server
	server can kick clients
	server can send only data arrays to client 
		to all clients
		a specific client by id
		a defined client group
	server can notice broken conns for clients (time stamp!?)
		last sent time!?
	server can limit amount of data received by a client to
		n bytes (i.e. to check login)
	server can block any client conn by IP
		no client from IP can conn
		databased!?
	
	client can also run as a server 
	
	all other functionality off
	
	no entity creation over net
	no check for loaded levels
	
	facilitates higher level networking via .dll
*security fixes 
	prevent connection and injection of invalid dat
	clients should not crash server
*web player

Last edited by testDummy; 08/23/08 13:03.

Re: Make MMOLove, not MMOWar. [Re: testDummy] #222816 08/21/08 02:27 08/21/08 02:27
Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,377 USofA fastlane69 OP Senior Expert
fastlane69 OP Senior Expert Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,377 USofA	As soon as we compile a steady list, I'll repost to ask conitec. Though the fact they moved this to "the future" and not "morbius" is I guess encouraging! FUTUR-E-SCAPE: The Future Landscape of Education and Entertainment.

Re: Make MMOLove, not MMOWar. [Re: fastlane69] #222844 08/21/08 07:37 08/21/08 07:37
Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 9,859 F FBL Senior Expert
FBL Senior Expert F Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 9,859	Feel happy that it has not been moved to the beginners forum

Re: Make MMOLove, not MMOWar. [Re: FBL] #222871 08/21/08 12:11 08/21/08 12:11
Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 959 nl F flits User
flits User F Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 959 nl	i will like to see file transfers and lobby system "empty"

Re: Make MMOLove, not MMOWar. [Re: fastlane69] #222923 08/21/08 16:56 08/21/08 16:56
Joined: Sep 2002 Posts: 8,177 Netherlands PHeMoX Senior Expert
PHeMoX Senior Expert Joined: Sep 2002 Posts: 8,177 Netherlands	Originally Posted By: fastlane69 As soon as we compile a steady list, I'll repost to ask conitec. Though the fact they moved this to "the future" and not "morbius" is I guess encouraging! Perhaps just leave it here, as I think Conitec will take this thread very seriously. I just hope they'll get around updating things relatively soon-ish. PHeMoX, Innervision Software (c) 1995-2008 For more info visit: Innervision Software

Re: Make MMOLove, not MMOWar. [Re: PHeMoX] #222927 08/21/08 17:03 08/21/08 17:03
Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,377 USofA fastlane69 OP Senior Expert
fastlane69 OP Senior Expert Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,377 USofA	Quote: I think Conitec will take this thread very seriously. I think I have their attention now, yes. Hopefully for the last time. I'm ashamed that I had to get so rough to get some attention but as we see, Conitec doesn't come out of the office unless they see a mob outside with pitchforks and torches... which I think we accomplished. By the end of today, I will compile all the suggestions in this thread (and others) and in the interest of fairness, post it up as a Poll to see what the community wants most in terms of MP/MMP. FUTUR-E-SCAPE: The Future Landscape of Education and Entertainment.

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