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Re: The BIble Fails ... [Re: Machinery_Frank] #226414
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Originally Posted By: Machinery_Frank
Sometimes I get the feeling that ChrissTodd und Schultz are the same person. But maybe it is the Matrix or they just share the same consciousness.


It's obvious that they think very much alike.. theoretically they could be one person indeed though, I must admit. smile

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Re: The BIble Fails ... [Re: PHeMoX] #226416
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You can discuss any topics here, but must follow the forum rules. They do not allow ad hominem attacks or arguments. Should you have something specific to say about the topic theme, just bring it forward. But personal remarks or insults against another member are not tolerated. Consider this a friendly warning. Next time it's a ban.

Phemox: this of course applies to _all_ participants.

Re: The BIble Fails ... [Re: jcl] #226419
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Are insults like Joozey and MachineryFrank ok? I thought I was following protocol.

Re: The BIble Fails ... [Re: ChrisTodd] #226420
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Ok I see your response to Phemox, we'll try to keep it on a more formal level.
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Re: The BIble Fails ... [Re: fastlane69] #226425
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Originally Posted By: fastlane69
(KJV) King James Version


That's the one, right there.

Is the long list of per-versions supposed to strike fear in our hearts. 200+ people could take up the notion to revise Shakespeare if they wanted to. Would that mean the one true, perfect word of Shakespeare would cease to exist? Of course not.

God preserved his word in English through the King James Bible, without error.

Re: The BIble Fails ... [Re: Schultz] #226427
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True perfect word of Shakespeare? You do know he had a habit of actually stealing/borrowing other people's work? Also.. unlike the Bible, Shakespeare's work was originally written in (albeit a bit older version of..) English.

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God preserved his word in English through the King James Bible, without error.


Because God was born in modern times and was raised with English???

Last time I checked, wasn't the 'word' given to people in Hebrew and later translated into English and so on?

I apologize for being blunt, but I find your statements rather ironic.

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Re: The BIble Fails ... [Re: Schultz] #226433
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God preserved his word in English through the King James Bible, without error.


What is the history behind the KJV? What was the procedure under which is was fabricated?

I've done my internet research on the subject, but I'd like to not rely on the internet and hear what your opionions or facts are on the subject of the creation of this version of the bible. Please emphasize how this procedure created an "error free" translation (keyword: "the telephone game") as well as what the political, social, and religious environment of the time was in order to provide some context to the procedure.


Re: The BIble Fails ... [Re: PHeMoX] #226438
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Originally Posted By: PHeMoX
Because God was born in modern times and was raised with English???

Last time I checked, wasn't the 'word' given to people in Hebrew and later translated into English and so on?


Well, if you had paid attention to the modern English, I said he preserved His word. BTW, God was not born period, He is from everlasting to everlasting.

The point in the Shakespeare example was not whether the words he originally penned were good/perfect, it was whether or not we have the words he originally penned.

The example fails in many areas, since it leaves the preservation (or keeping) up to man. God's word was preserved by Him (he did not leave it up to man to preserve His word perfect through the ages and into different languages). It's nothing for the creator of the universe to do this though.

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Re: The BIble Fails ... [Re: Schultz] #226447
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The example fails in many areas, since it leaves the preservation (or keeping) up to man.


Again, could you please provide me with a history of how the KJV came to be and how man was NOT part of the preservation process?

Re: The BIble Fails ... [Re: Schultz] #226449
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The prophecy in Isaiah 7 is twofold. There was a sign given of a young virgin who would have gotten married and had a son whom they named Immanuel which means God with us (Isa.8:8-10). The Jews knew God spoke in types and similitudes and shadows.
But since the scriptures are about Christ who was to come, as with most prophecies (the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy-Rev.19:10) there is a view of a literal and more significant understanding. The Holy Ghost had revealed to the Jews that there would be a "seed of the woman" Gen.3:15. He proceeded further to show them he would come through Judah (Gen.49:10). He showed David he would come from his loins but he would be the son of God. This is another example of a prophecy which has Solomon and Jesus Christ in view. See 1 Chronicles 17:11-14, and 2 Samuel 7:12-16. Jesus was the son of David but God was his father. How would God be to him a father- he would be conceived by a virgin. It would be in Bethlehem that this would happen but he would have no beginning of days (Heb.7:3) but would be "from everlasting"- Micah 5:2
Isaiah further revealed that this son who is conceived in a virgin would be called Wonderful, Counselor, the Mighty God the everlasting Father and the Prince of Peace (9:6) This is why his name was called Immanuel- God with us (7:14).

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