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Re: Firefox deleted all my work files. [Re: Lukas] #235276
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I don't think anything on C:\ is very save.
So obviously you must create an e: partition to keep files on, is that it?

Re: Firefox deleted all my work files. [Re: NITRO777] #235279
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Yes. Usually the second partition of a harddisc has the letter D: unless your CD/DVD-drive has already D:.

Re: Firefox deleted all my work files. [Re: Lukas] #235280
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Or just backup anything important to a portable hard drive, its the best way because it protects from a lot of things that could go wrong with the computer.


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Re: Firefox deleted all my work files. [Re: Blade280891] #235285
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you actually can mount different partitons to make them look like folders, so you won't notice the difference, just like in unix systems.

start->run->compmgmt.msc and then go to storage devices (or whatever it's called in english, in german it's datentraegerverwaltung)

so you can route your "my documents" folder to a partition like e: without having to use the hdd icon in the explorer.

Re: Firefox deleted all my work files. [Re: NITRO777] #235303
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Originally Posted By: TriNitroToluene
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I don't think anything on C:\ is very save.
So obviously you must create an e: partition to keep files on, is that it?


In general this sure helps, but be aware of the possibility that two partitions on the same hard disk in case of a hard disk crash can still cause both to become corrupted.

I'd recommend 2 hard disks, a medium size one for Windows and another one for files and so on.

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Re: Firefox deleted all my work files. [Re: PHeMoX] #235304
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or a RAID system

Re: Firefox deleted all my work files. [Re: broozar] #235307
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Yeah, but Windows isn't quite reliable enough for RAID. I know people who lost everything because they had a RAID system. One drive failed/crashed, both drives are needed to retrieve the data, things like that.

It's great as long as it works though, grin

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Re: Firefox deleted all my work files. [Re: Puppeteer] #235325
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Originally Posted By: Puppeteer
Thank you all
When i said file restorer i meant recovery software.
Well i had backups but they were too in my desktop/scripting folder T.T
I try recuva and when this doesnt work i will jump out the window :-P


you are aware, that every second you continue to have the PC running and downloading new stuff, your chances to recover ANY file are counting towards zero?

I may be mean, but I have quite some expirience in file restoration, and the first thing you should have done was to SHUT DOWN your PC instantly (using the power plug! not the shutdown feature of windows) and then plug the HD in into some other PC and run a Restoration sofware there.

Basically by continuing to work on your PC, you diminished every chance of recovering your files.


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Re: Firefox deleted all my work files. [Re: PHeMoX] #235329
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One of the first things I do with a new pc is create two partitions, install windows on one and store the rest of my junk on the other, never touch the windows partition again unless programs really require to be installed on it. Desktop folder is in the same partition as windows, that's why it's bad :P. Only use it for shortcuts.


1. The argument here was if the desktop folder was any less safer than your rest of your hard disk folders. Arguing if 2 partitions is better than 1 is a totally different topic. After all, you can always re-direct your desktop folder to a location in a different partition if you really want to.

2. The desktop folder is unique for every user on your pc like all folders in the "Documents and Settings" directory, so in some way the desktop folder is actually a little bit safer.

3. Partitions aren't all that safe as you think they are and in my opinion a bit of a pain. As Phemox said, when your hd crashes then 1 or 1000 partitions won't make any difference. There's only one scenario where I think partitions help.. When you're re-installing windows people tend to (and I agree) format their disk first instead of just slapping the new windows on top of the old ones. If you have 2 partitions then you won't have to format the 'data' partition if you will. However, if you install all programs on your data partition too, then you'll have to re-install those programs anyway, so you end up with a big non-working 'Program Files' folder. The right thing to do is use the 'Windows' partition for all your programs and leave your 'data' partition for all your actual data (gamestudio projects, save games, pictures, music, etc..). But in that case, how do you know in advance how much space you'll need for each partition so you won't be left with 1 partition full and another almost empty? And re-tweaking your partition sizes is definitely not my idea of fun, especially when your life's work is at stake..

4. In general, you can survive just fine with just one partition and a few friends to transfer your data on their computers when shit hits the fan. And of course, if you can spend 30-40 bucks for a small-sized hd only to be used for your back-ups then that's pretty much the way to go..


The reason I'm being so anal about all this is because I hate when everytime someone has a problem then all these people will immediately join in and make sure everyone knows that this would never had happened to them. I think that's a bit of a bullshit... First of all, I know puppeteer and I'm sure he's not your everyday windows noob guy to be patronized like he has been (ex. I know I'm always harsh to you, but the truth is the truth - It was your fault by a big extend.). And second, raise hands for all of you who knew that deleting a freaking firefox profile deletes all the damn files and folders in that folder. So if you've saved that on your root folder of your safe 'data' partition, your whole partition would be gone. So truth is, this could have happened to pretty much everyone, because Firefox is an app. we trust and that this is a major bug which should be reported immediately.. So, instead of an answer to his question about Terms Of Use, he instead gets to bear through all this nonsense:


Originally Posted By: ello
how can you place 1000hours of work on your desktop?


Originally Posted By: checkbutton
Perhaps he first should learn how to use a computer and then start working with it... wink


Originally Posted By: Michael_Schwarz
Storing everything on the desktop... Reminds me of those 50+ people I used to help with their computers.


Originally Posted By: Michael_Schwarz
I know I'm always harsh to you, but the truth is the truth - It was your fault by a big extend.


Originally Posted By: Lucas
That's why I even don't use the "My Documents" folder. I don't think anything on C:\ is very save. And if I want to temporary test something I create a folder named "New folder" instead of using the Desktop folder wink



Anyway, I know I made a big deal out of this, especially since not even puppeteer cared about this, but it did kinda bug me so I felt like getting it out of my chest.. Thanks for bearing through my rant :P


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Re: Firefox deleted all my work files. [Re: LarryLaffer] #235336
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Originally Posted By: LarryLaffer
I hate when everytime someone has a problem then all these people will immediately join in and make sure everyone knows that this would never had happened to them


I never said or implied these things never happen/happened to me. And by fault I do certainly not imply that saving everything on the desktop was the "fault by big extend". As I twice said, his mayor fault is that he continues to use the PC after losing VITAL data.

I could tell countless stories how often this happened to me (heck, currently the folders I have on my desktop are even over 10 GB!). But I learned about data recovery, and in general, as soon as I miss some vital data i turn off all programs and do a search for them. If I cant find them I shut down the PC and boot my PC with a live CD i made for data recovery (but there are many free ones out there, I just like to customize my "stuff") and recover these files. Served me well since my 2nd Harddrive died (god forbid, I'm not buying any more Seagate HD's!) and ALWAYS got me all my data back. If you'd knew how many rudimentary folder I have called like "_bkcp" "_backup" "_aasdasf" "_recovery" from all the times I lost data and backed it up, you would be surprised.

Nontheless, he may not know that (steps to do when files go missing), so I'm telling him that now.

Even though, I know lots of clients who do exactly that and panic call me when they lose data, most of them I didn't even tell what to do when your files get deleted and when I ask them how they got to the conclusion to stop working on their PC they mostly just say that they would feel that it's a bad idea to them to "modify" anything on their PC after something went "boom" and look for some solutions first.

I even remember when my HD crashed the first time, I just turned it off and went to an Internet cafe to look for solutions. I even still have the CD I burned there with my first recovery software which I took home and plugged into my fathers PC along with the dead HD.

You can't be all knowing, but common sense should have told you to "STOP DOING ANYTHING" if even complete everyday users get that feeling.

No offense though.


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