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Re: 3DGS Book-Creating 3DGamestudio Games That Succeed
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03/20/04 04:41
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danthaman015
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lol hmm... how's like using 3dgs to ______ there shouldn't be a "your" in it, because the book shouldn't really be addressed to the reader.. it's just more formal, same with an essay, you don't want to say 'you' in it. i understand this book probably will, but that's because i want to like let the reader feel closer to the author (me) etc etc, it's more friendly if someone uses you i think.. but bottom line is like, don't use you or your in a title... but anyway, more suggestions!!  -dan
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Re: 3DGS Book-Creating 3DGamestudio Games That Succeed
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03/20/04 06:38
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using 3dgs to ______
Unless you planning to show how you can use this to make trianing software or any other non-game app, then "using 3DGS to make games".
As to the use of "your", I was intending the Your to emphasize that the persoanl nature of game dev using 3DGS. Correct me if I'm worng, but most users of 3DGS are using it to create their own games, their own vision, their own dream. They are not using it because their boss or school or job told them to and thus they need learn how to use it, as might be the case with 3DMAX MSWORD C++ etc. IMO it's proper to talk to the reader given my impression of the personal nature of the projects engaged upon by teh 3DGS user base.
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3DGamestudio Gems
Though I love the "gems" series, he forums, Aum, and the users in general pretty much take care of any "Gem" like book  Boo Yah!!!
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Re: 3DGS Book-Creating 3DGamestudio Games That Succeed
[Re: fastlane69]
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03/21/04 12:16
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You know C, I started to agree with you on the basis that I didn't consider a Buisness Plan to be on par with Technical Knowledge, but then I read you post more carefully and I'm confused. If in fact...
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In my opinion, real world experience is NOT a requirement to write an excellent technical book.
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First, the writer MUST be able to explain thoughts and concepts in clear understandable terms. Second, the writer must understand the topic he/she is covering thoroughly
..then how is that writer supposed to attain said understand if not with experience???? I'm confused cause you say I'm confused, but this is my point exactly...
On this I agree 100%
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Since I have read literally hundreds of technical books, I can tell you many "experts" could not write a lucid technical book to save their lives. Being a "real world expert" and being a "teacher" via a book are two very different skills.
...but even a teacher must accumulate real world experience before they can speak eloquently and cohesively about a topic, which was again my original point.
fastlane69,
You took the statements apart and removed the context. I wrote the following:
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You are a bit confused. Being a technical expert does not make you a great technical writer. In my opinion, real world experience is NOT a requirement to write an excellent technical book. Even if it one thinks it is, since red_army014 has actually used the concepts regardless of whether they were for paid engagements or not, one could argue he has enough experience to write on the topic.
First, the writer MUST be able to explain thoughts and concepts in clear understandable terms. Second, the writer must understand the topic he/she is covering thoroughly. Since I have read literally hundreds of technical books, I can tell you many "experts" could not write a lucid technical book to save their lives. Being a "real world expert" and being a "teacher" via a book are two very different skills.
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..then how is that writer supposed to attain said understand if not with experience????
From my original post:
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In my opinion, real world experience is NOT a requirement to write an excellent technical book. Even if it one thinks it is, since red_army014 has actually used the concepts regardless of whether they were for paid engagements or not, one could argue he has enough experience to write on the topic.
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Re: 3DGS Book-Creating 3DGamestudio Games That Succeed
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03/22/04 03:02
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As for expecting "extreme enlightenment" in the publishing arena, I have yet to find a book at any price which has given me the "magic" answer
Right. Which is why my ears perked up when Red made his initial claims that by merely studing "he knew how to get a game published and marketed".
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I'm looking at the technical aspect of the book; everything else is a bonus
IMO, it's "the bonus" that makes REd's book worth looking at; it's HOW HE is putting togetehr the technical stuff in an original manner that makes it worth reading.
Hence, you can't separate the Technical from the Bonus.
As I see it, if I **just** wanted the technical aspect, I can look at the manual. If I want to know how this technical stuff comes together, then I read Reds book in the hopes that he has EXPERIENCE USING THE TECHNICAL STUFF TO MAKE GAMES AND THUS PRESENTS ME WITH AN ORIGINAL VIEWPOINT.
If this isn't the case, then the most Red can claim is HE HAS READ HOW TO PUT THE TECHNICAL STUFF TOGETHER, BUT HAS NO PERSONAL EVIDENCE OF IT'S EFFECTIVENESS, thus diminishing the value of the book IMO.
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Re: 3DGS Book-Creating 3DGamestudio Games That Succeed
[Re: fastlane69]
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03/22/04 03:48
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so the bottom line is_____________should i just skip the publishing part?
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