Larry, thank you for your advice. I will try not to post anything to lengthy in the future.
Take Care.

Smitty

Reminds me of this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligent_falling


smitty:
I read half of the first link you gave me and then stopped.
Sorry, but this is just rubbish. For example:

Yeah. But WHY do chimpanzees eat the same food, breathe the same air, and drink the same water? But they could also eat other food. This is just an evidence for Evolution!

Btw, I also think Bible quotes are really annoying. And if the Bible is really the onliest source for Creationism, it surely can't be called "scientific theory"!

I've stamped on a quote about this myself:

It's not Gravity, it's Intelligent Falling. Angels are pushing from above. ..

Good stuff

Again time to remind you, you shall not lie. That's a sin. You already have. Time for a few ave marias, isn't it?

Faked articles is lie. The by you linked articles are highly manipulated to fit Creationism. They leave away facts, they manipulate, they quote out of context and introduce hair-raising solutions just for the sake of fitting to creationism. This is propaganda and war material from soul catchers.

I can show you a by creationists quoted Darwin statement. Must even be in this thread. Quoted in a way that lets Darwin say Evolution Theory is wrong. Nothing different with the by you given links. Lies. Fake.

Lying that way should be against law in my opinion. It's Swindle. It's bogus. It's highly unethical. And done by an institution that says from itself that it is the source of all ethics ...

This is a very popular opinion but it is false
Galileo has never been persecuted by the Catholic Church

Galileo was asked to prove the validity of the Eliocentric theory in front of a scientific (not a religious ) commitee of jesuit scientists but he failed

He used the argument of the high\low tides but the jesuits demostrated that tides do not depend on the movement of the earth

The famous sentence that he pronounced
" Eppur si muove " ( Nevertheless it moves )
has been understood as :
" I am right but you have the power "
On the contrary Galileo meant
" You may be right about the tides but I am right about the earth "

The positions of the Church was :
Since the eliocentric theory can not be proved beyond any reasonable doubt then the Bible must prevail, which is a quite reasonable position

The sure evidences of the eliocentic theory came only some hundred years later
At that point the Chatholic Church immediatly admitted that the Bible must be considered infallible only for ethics and religious matters

This to say that modern fundamentalists are much worse, from this point of view, than the Chatholic Church of the middle age, 150 years after , they are still insisting that Darwinism is not a proved theory
Unbelievable

"I think we can all look forward to the time when these three theories are given equal time in our science classrooms across the country, and eventually the world; One third time for Intelligent Design, one third time for Flying Spaghetti Monsterism, and one third time for logical conjecture based on overwhelming observable evidence."

-Bobby Henderson, the Flying Spaghetti Monster's prophet

Since you think I am a liar, you do not believe in God, and you think the bible is a fairy tale. I will not waste any more of my time or yours. I will continue to pray for you.

Mark 6:11 And whoever will not receive you nor hear you, when you depart from there, shake off the dust under your feet as a testimony against them. Assuredly, I say to you, it will be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment than for that city!”

...

You've missed the point, it's not about whether or not the Bible is a fairytale. It's all about how much faith you and other Christians put into the book as if it's not a fairytale. Frankly, most evidence points in a totally different direction.



I wouldn't know why religious people always say this, I often wonder if they truly do, but perhaps it makes you feel better saying it anyway...



Good, but you should really be aware that fear tactics won't work on people that do not believe. Besides, isn't God all about forgiveness, righteousness and what not? After all, you believe in Jesus Christ and what he did, but at the same time you condemn the non believers as if you're, uhm no disrespect, God itself,

Cheers

Phemox, I will reply to you. I believe the bible is the word of God, not a fairy tale. That is why I put so much faith in it. Yes, I will pray for you. I am not condemning anyone. I am only telling you what God says in His word. It is up to you to believe it or not. Yes, God is forgiving, but He is also holy and righteous and will not allow sin in His presence. That is why Christ died for our sins and rose from the dead. I know I am a sinner and that it is only Christ's atoning blood and resurrection that saves me. It is God and His Word (Jesus Christ) who is the judge, not me.

John 3
10Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?

11Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.

12If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

13And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

14And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:

15That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

19And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

20For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

21But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

1 John 5:13

13These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

while it's a good example, it is still strictly me excluding them from it, assuming i would pull them away from it. i don't think i actually would pull them away from it. i'm not a huge fan of protecting kids from the world; more helping them grow in such a way that they can deal with it. if they're protected from other belief systems and then step out into the big bad world where they make Muslim friends who try to convert them and all they can say is "how come i didn't know about any of this?" that would be bad.

righteousness = punish all the sinners! forgiveness = "accept me as your friend and i'll forget all your sins you've ever committed, and ever will commit." that's Christianity in a nutshell.

julz