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Re: Q: Should creationism be taught in shools? -- A: YES! [Re: HyperGraph] #240202
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well, yeah, that's true.

EDIT: a little slow, that was in response to your first response: shelter from other beliefs doesn't mean someone will cave in. what is also true is your next post -- i completely forgot this was the "should creationism be taught in schools" thread!

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Re: Q: Should creationism be taught in shools? -- A: YES! [Re: HyperGraph] #240204
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I think if evolution is going to be taught in schools, then it should be taught as a theory since that is what it is. Creationism should be taught equally side by side. Neither can be proven and both require faith, so why not teach both and let "freethinkers" decide?

Re: Q: Should creationism be taught in shools? -- A: YES! [Re: smitty] #240219
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Originally Posted By: smitty
I think if evolution is going to be taught in schools, then it should be taught as a theory since that is what it is. Creationism should be taught equally side by side. Neither can be proven and both require faith, so why not teach both and let "freethinkers" decide?


It is being taught as a theory because it is a theory. All scientists will say "evolution is a theory."

But Creationism is not a theory by scientific standards and thus should not be taught in a science class. It goes against what we learn about the scientific method.

Evolution does NOT require faith, it requires evidence, which we have.

And if creationism is taught in class, it better NOT be only the Christian version, but also the Hindu, the Islam, the Judaic, the Shinto, the Buddhist, the Pastafarianism, the Scientologism, all faiths. Can a school reasonably teach every single faith out there?

There is but one science and many religions.


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Re: Q: Should creationism be taught in shools? -- A: YES! [Re: heinekenbottle] #240222
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Science is not true unless it is proven to be true. A theory is a theory. Since evolution is a theory, then it is NOT a fact. Since evolution is NOT a fact, then it DOES require faith. Therefore, evolution is a "religion" and NOT a science. There are many "religions", but only one truth. Truth is truth. There cannot be more than one. If evolution is taught in schools, then biblical creationism should be taught the exact same way...as a theory. It should not be one-sided.

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Since evolution is a theory, then it is NOT a fact. Since evolution is NOT a fact, then it DOES require faith. Therefore, evolution is a "religion" and NOT a science.


Evolution is backed up by scientific evidence, not faith, that makes it a scientific theory and thus valid for teaching in a scientific class, as a theory.
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f evolution is taught in schools, then biblical creationism should be taught the exact same way...as a theory.


What makes Biblical creationism better than the creationism theories of all the other religions? Last I checked, the First Amendment is in place to keep the government from establishing any religion and by teaching biblical creationism, they violate that by showing judeo-christian religions favor over other religions. What about hindu faiths? Or shinto? Or any other religion? How can you say that your religion is better than theres? The United States of America is not, and should not be a Christian nation, but a multi-religion nation, as was the intentions of the Founding Fathers (who were agnostic deists btw).

You may believe that the Judeo-christian god is truth, and thats fine, but not everyone in the US believes this. And this is yet another reason why we do not teach creationism.

The USA is founded on the belief that anyone is free to believe what they want. Having public school teachers teach the beliefs of any one religion violates that.

Creationism, as well as all other religious topics, belongs in social science classes, where these things are taught objectively.


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Separation of Church and State was created with the intention of keeping the government out of the church, not the other way around.

Re: Q: Should creationism be taught in shools? -- A: YES! [Re: heinekenbottle] #240225
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Evolution is still just a theory and therefore not an exact science.

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Where do you think the laws in the USA came from? That's right, the bible.

Re: Q: Should creationism be taught in shools? -- A: YES! [Re: smitty] #240227
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Originally Posted By: smitty
Where do you think the laws in the USA came from? That's right, the bible.


Actually they come from philosophers like John Locke . . .

Most of the constitution writers were agnostic deists.

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Evolution is still just a theory and therefore not an exact science.

Yeah and all the parts of evolution were developed scientifically.


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I will say it again. Where do you think the laws in the USA came from? The bible.


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