Do you mean these verses?

1. Quran 7:157- “Those who follow the Messenger, the Prophet who can neither read nor write, whom they find written with them in the Torah and the Gospel- he commands them for good ; and forbids them from evil..."

2. Quran 61:6- And when Jesus son of Mary said: O Children of Israel! Lo! I am the messenger of Allah unto you, confirming that which was (revealed) before me in the Torah, and bringing good tidings of a messenger who cometh after me, whose name is the 'Ahmed'. Yet when he hath come unto them with clear proofs, they say, “ This is mere magic. “

I didn't include the whole verse in 7:157, that's what "..." at the end means. My point was only that he was mentioned in the Bible. I'm sorry if that confused anyone. Here is a translation of the whole verse:

"Those who follow the messenger, the Prophet who can neither read nor write, whom they will find described in the Torah and the Gospel (which are) with them. He will enjoin on them that which is right and forbid them that which is wrong. He will make lawful for them all good things and prohibit for them only the foul; and he will relieve them of their burden and the fetters that they used to wear. Then those who believe in him, and honour him, and help him, and follow the light which is sent down with him: they are the successful. "

For 61:6, I have consulted several translations, and they all say just about the same thing. If you have a better one, please let me know.

Yeah. These lines.

and... i have a better translation.
I'll put it here soon.

Salam Aleykum every buddy. Cowabanga I'm allso Muslim and I speak a little bit arabic, I even studyed in Emirates. Keif halak? I hope OK :-) And for thouse who think that Quran based on Bible, I whant to say, why can't we just say that the Bible based on Talmut??? Islam is the only religion that belives in one God (Allah).

And I'm abselutely sure that is the Quran is true!

I have not been able to participate much in this thread (to many other things going on), but I had to comment on this:



The Bible is not and cannot be based on the Talmud. The Talmud is a commentary (by and large) on the Bible and, as a result, comes after the Bible was written and codified.

If you wanted to say something like, "Why can't we say the Bible is based on other, previous religious concepts?" Then I would agree with you.

As far as the Qur'an being "based" on the Bible: it does not appear to be a complete rip-off of the Bible itself, but it certainly contains some quotes, paraphrases and allusions to what is written in both the Old and New Testaments. The fact that it is claimed that Mohammad said that both the Old Testament and the Gospels were a part of god's revelation to man (though corrupted by men) would seem to indicate that the Qur'an is based, to some degree, on the Bible, would it not?

If you wanted to say something like, "Why can't we say the Bible is based on other, previous religious concepts?"


Thats exacly what I whanted to say, but Talmud was before Bible, it was sent to Maisey, isn't it?

No. The Talmud is a compilation of writings that was compiled (if I remember correctly) in the 3rd century AD. Again, as I said already, it was a COMMENTARY on the Bible. To be a commentary on the Bible means that Bible had to come first. The Talmud did not originate with Moses, but with the rabbis of a much, much later date.

May be so. But Quran is NOT BASED on Bible!!!

Are you saying that there are no quotes, paraphrases or allusions from the Bible within the Qur'an?

Well I just thought to give in my own opinion.
I haven't read all of the posts but just to pitch on to the eralier posts about whetver it's based on one another or not.[Maybe I agree to somebody here just earlier but just an opinion :)]

As far as I'm enlightened about this stuff is that you could say that Christianity (or Bible) is similar to Zarathustra. Both declare monotheism. Contradict good and evil - paradise and heaven. There is a creator and so called devil. I see that every religion has their similarities to it's earlier "predecessors". I mean that, any later religion was probably affected by the exsisted ones due to traveling and trade also probably due to reinin power.

I don't see that any kind of religious book is apodictic. They have their own unice and somewhat right believs or views to life, but to take it as a the only way of describing everything... well thats out of topic I guess.

Anyhow my point is no matter how you intepret these texts, toughts and ideas of different religions, they have their similarities and to say that if one or the other is based on something, is ridiculous. Just as with laws. There are similarities to Hammurapi's laws and Moses's 10 laws.