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Alternative to 3DGS ? #251170
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If someone asked you to suggest a realistic alternative to 3DGS, what would you recommend ?

Re: Alternative to 3DGS ? [Re: dracula] #251171
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unity 2.5 when it comes out for PC



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Re: Alternative to 3DGS ? [Re: croman] #251180
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It looks interesting, but the scripting language is JavaScript and the tutorials are written in this.

Thanks

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it's not only Java afaik. i think you can make code in c# if i'm not wrong



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Re: Alternative to 3DGS ? [Re: croman] #251256
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Originally Posted By: "Unity Website"
Unity supports three scripting languages: JavaScript, C#, and a dialect of Python called Boo. All three are equally fast and interoperate. All three can use the underlying .NET libraries which support databases, regular expressions, XML, file access and networking.

Scripting is frequently thought of as limited and slow. But in Unity your scripts are compiled to native code and run nearly as fast as C++. You get the fast iteration times and ease of use everyone loves about scripting languages.


http://unity3d.com/unity/features/scripting

In addition to that the workflow and the tools of Unity are more advanced (real-time feedback, terrain editing, great material-editor with shaders in a drop box, real-time re-loading of changed assets and much much more). It also supports more platforms.

But it has less templates as far as I could see. So the real advantage of GS could be a better and larger library of templates. And another advantage of GS over Unity is the lower price.

But then there is Shiva, it is similar to Unity but has a lower price.
http://www.stonetrip.com/shiva/shiva-3d-game-engine.html



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Re: Alternative to 3DGS ? [Re: Machinery_Frank] #251273
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If you are more of a programmer, you would not be satisfied with Shiva, I guess.
The scripting language is pretty high level, so you are somewhat limited. It is not possible to define own data structures, as an example.

I don't know how the speed of lite-C compares to C++, but the compiled code of Unity is "around 50% slower than native C++ code". (source) I am just mentioning this, because I thought "nearly as fast as C++" was to be taken literally in the first place. smile

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lite-c also is slower than optimized C++ compilers like the Microsoft one.

Half the speed of C++ still is very fast and easily enough for game scripting. Some engines even use languages like Lua or Python for scripting which can be 10-100 times slower than C++. For many tasks that's sufficient too.

Re: Alternative to 3DGS ? [Re: Saturnus] #251288
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Originally Posted By: Kombucha
If you are more of a programmer, you would not be satisfied with Shiva, I guess.
The scripting language is pretty high level, so you are somewhat limited. It is not possible to define own data structures, as an example.


Yes. This is true. But a C++ programmer can easily use very well structured C++ engines and sometimes even gets source code, sometimes even for free (C4, Irrlicht, Torque, Ogre). They are not limited to artist-oriented tools like Unity3d and Shiva.
I know from experience and from user reports that most C++ developers end up using C4, because of the great object oriented software design and the robust feature set. Many complain about Torque C++ code. Some of them love Ogre. While Irrlicht is even the most simple C++ alternative out there it is a bit limited and inflexible.

But as you can see, you dont have to restrict yourself to scripting languages if you are a hardcore C++ guru wink


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Re: Alternative to 3DGS ? [Re: Machinery_Frank] #251290
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perhaps Ogre??
http://www.ogre3d.org/

Didn´t worked with it yet.. But many people said, that i better use that instead of 3DGS...
( but i don´t want to change ^^ )


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Re: Alternative to 3DGS ? [Re: Espér] #251293
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ogre is not a game engine. it's a graphic engine, it's cool, but c++ knowledge needed.


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