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Re: Unity 2.5 for Windows - sooner than you think [Re: Captain_Kiyaku] #256822
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ahem.... well i thought i had read this somewhere, but was in denial..... now i know the truth and it is this:

I will not be getting unity anytime soon if at all.

I cant believe that a company would charge 7.5x the price so that someone could use a normal map, or have reflective water, or soft shadows. Hell yeah 3dgs is a lot of work to make it look pretty, but Ill keep my $1500 thank you.

Re: Unity 2.5 for Windows - sooner than you think [Re: lostclimate] #256825
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Normal maps are available in the indie version.
You´re right about everything that has to do with render2texture, though.
But if you´ve got a deal with a publisher, you won´t worry about 1500,- bucks.

It´s just the same situation as with A6 and render to texture.
You get everything to make a full featured game.


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Re: Unity 2.5 for Windows - sooner than you think [Re: lostclimate] #256827
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Of course you can use normal maps in indie and I think water is possible with a cube map reflection (but i didn´t test this yet)? Decal shadows are soft too. smile

Unity is awesome. There still seem to be some teething problems in 2.5 but I think after 2.6 I also won´t go back to Gamestudio anymore.

Captain Kiyaku, please post some web demos! smile

Re: Unity 2.5 for Windows - sooner than you think [Re: amy] #256832
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From what i understand, shaders are not included in the indie version.

Re: Unity 2.5 for Windows - sooner than you think [Re: amy] #256834
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hi,

good luck and goodbuy to all who leaves the Acknexengine and turns to unity.

First I had the intension to check the trial of unity too. But after reading the Feature-list (Indie) I decided to let my hands of this and dont start working with another engine.

No RenderToTexture, poor Shadows, no reflection/refraction on water, no video on objects.
No! I had to wait a long time until Acknex give me that in Com-Edition and I'm not willing to change to another engine with the same restrictions like A6 years ago!

If I want to clicking together my gamegraphics and code it with C# ... I would use the NEOAXIS-Engine for that.
Mighty features satisfy my needs more than a fast wokflow.


So I stay with Acknex until maybe "Unity 7" have the above named features in Commercial ...I mean "Indie" Edition;-)

greetings,
gri


"Make a great game or kill it early" (Bruce Shelley, Ensemble Studios)
Re: Unity 2.5 for Windows - sooner than you think [Re: gri] #256837
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Gamestudio has poor shadows too. smile The stencil shadows are quite useless and the user shadow mapping contributions all are unfinished.

In my opinion Unity is much more future proof. You can easily develop a game with Unity indie and if it turns out well you don´t have to worry about the 1050€ like fogman said. With Unity you then have to possibility to go to Windows, OSX, iPhone, Wii or to a web plugin. With Gamestudio you are quite stuck.

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From what i understand, shaders are not included in the indie version.
You got that wrong.



Another thing I like about Unity is that its collision system is easier to use and works better than the Gamestudio ellipsoid one where it can be very tricky to avoid "getting stuck" problems and gliding problems.

Re: Unity 2.5 for Windows - sooner than you think [Re: amy] #256847
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OK, having tried the trial for an hour or two..

1) I got used to the editor almost instantly without reading any tutorials. I like to mess around without reading with all the apps I use and the editor on Unity isn't complicated to learn (having modded games with similar editors) and get into. Overall, it's pretty good.

2) My guess is that the trial is the Indie version so the Water looks pretty good even without reflection or refraction. I don't really see why reflective/refractive water is Pro only but still, Indie water looks nice enough (from a distance). Again, using the editor to modify the Water on the fly is fun. Changes take place instantly in front of you, no need to recompile.

3) Here's what kills the whole scene and makes this a really lame move that will end up being the reason most people won't buy it. Shadows. The demo Island level SERIOUSLY needs them, esp. the dynamic shadows. The level looks like the island level once posted here in 3dgs forums (made using 3dgs), only except the lack of shadows make it fuck ugly. You'd think that the shadows bit isn't a big deal but trust me, it looks like a Quake 2 level (umm, actually worse.. Farcry without shadows?).

You need Unity Pro ($1500) vs GameStudio's $199 version to get the basic shaders and effects gamers expect out of a 3D Game in the first place.

The Mac support is a bonus but do remember that you WILL need a Mac to test the end product eventually. Add another expense to the list in the end. The editor is nice but nothing I can't live without. In the end you will need all bells and whistles to make your 3D game look current-gen. You can obviously do that with Unity Indie, I am sure, but it will require a lot of hacks and work on your end to make it look good enough.

ANYWAYS, this is just a basic viewpoint. I will still try it out for 30 days before making my final decision at least. To those who already own 3dgs license, please use the trial before purchasing anything (I see on their forum a lot of people have purchased it instantly).

I am definitely interested in seeing how Conitec prioritizes the updates/features after this. If they keep the price less and features (all shaders esp.) available in 199 range, I don't see any reason to jump the ship for most developers.


EDIT: To those who want to know about the splash screen in Indie version (like A7 Commercial). Unity adds the splash screen (startup logo) plus a Unity logo on bottom right of the screen for some time (before fading away).

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Re: Unity 2.5 for Windows - sooner than you think [Re: ortucis] #256849
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For those who are curious, here are few Indie version shots..






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Re: Unity 2.5 for Windows - sooner than you think [Re: ortucis] #256851
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"good luck and goodbuy to all who leaves the Acknexengine and turns to unity."

I don´t get why people only want to use one tool.
Acknex won´t disappear magically from your HD when you install Unity. wink
Believe me, I´ve tried it. They don´t harm each other. laugh

These shaders are included in Indie:
http://unity3d.com/support/documentation/Components/Built-in%20Shader%20Guide.html


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Re: Unity 2.5 for Windows - sooner than you think [Re: fogman] #256855
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