i only beleave it when i can play it...

they made a very important presentation for their company,
i doubt that they would risk any serverproblems at this event,
and probably just had it connected directly to a local server.

In the end its all about network-with and stability. (and partly
the quality of the codec)
The software itself is not that mindblowing after all.

I also belive that one day we will use mainly remote computers,
but they claim to do all the infrastructure now.
This is very risky, especially for high quality content
such as gaming.

Also: 7 years are rather the waiting time for the reqired
broadband infrastructure in the US, than development time,
The software is not really that magical.

I think those 5-10 years is about as long as it will take for this service to really gain momentum and maybe change the industry so that we only use dummy terminals.

So actually I now think that this is not as surprisingly early as I first thought, it's just the first sign that the industry is really going there.

Yeah, but the idea is stupid to some extent. It means paying 50 bucks for a game might mean you won't be able to play it whenever a server goes down permanently. I very much like the fact that I can simply walk to my games collection and pick say Half-life 1 and play years after it got released.

I definitely don't like the idea of games becoming slot machines and the like. I also very much doubt if it would work in practice, seems like 5Mbit/s isn't really a lot to transfer continuous streams of rendering and input / controller data. Don't forget this whole system will need to work with zero latency for it to be even close to playable if it's truly only rendering information.

Also would this not go on your download limit ? therefore meaning ISPs would limit you or charge more

microsoft is working on a new windows version: Windows Cloud.

this is pretty much same idea with onlive, but instead, servers serve OS, all you need is a little device, a monitor and input devices.

5Mbit is plenty. It actually occurred to me the other day that I was watching a movie from Graboid. I have a 4mbit DSL and Graboid will give u all the bandwidth you can take (for me it was 430kb/s), so I was streaming a movie that was 700mb (usual size for a normal divX movie), without having to wait at all for initial buffering, and I was thinking to myself.. I'm now receiving from some distant server 23 good quality images per second.. So, add to that their super video-game codec, and you can realize how the problem of the big volume of data to be sent, can really be solved. So all you got left now is the problem of latency. But if you think about it, if the latency of 50ms that u get everytime you play CS on online servers is good enough for playing a multiplayer game, it will be good enough for OnLive as well. So, what I'm saying is.. they don't cheat and they don't lie.. what they're proposing is very much possible, and I guess we'll all get to try it (well, US citizens only for starters ), in the following months.




Your ISP is charging you per megabyte?? Change ISPs!



Cheers,
Aris

No i meant most uk isp's charge if you go over download limit, or restrict speed or stop internet, and therefore people would need the unlimited package (which all except Sky, have fair use policies which limit download usage)

So in simple terms it would mean you would be limited about how much you can play the games for.

If the UK isps don't change then this system will fail here.

Not sure about other countries

yeah in the us, or at least where i live this isnt an issue, its unlimited dl,

recently more and more isp limit or downgrad their packages because users dare to use it to the limit. unlimited for you aint the same as unlimited for your isp

50ms latency/ping you barly get if you are honest. most of the times you play wiht 100ms+.
ontop of that put rendering time on ther servers, then the compression, then the packing and sending, then you receiving, then you unpacking and displaying. and all of that in hd and 50pictues a second.
no matter how good your codec is, none works without buffering. most of the times you wont recognize it beacuse its just a few ms. but i bet you will once you have a latency limit.


having a operating system or control system on the other hand is a whole other story. controling a spaceship flying towards the moon with 8mins delay might be acceptable. controling a renderfarm, securitysytem and and and with a few seconds delay wont hurt either.
for stuff like this, it makes perfect sense. but anything realtime related doesnt.

the hardware to render the game still has to be somewhere and somebody has to pay for it. and i bet it wont be onlive charging nothing for their services.
also you will pay per play as far as i can tell. one hour ten bucks...any game you like for example. causing a lot of new problems for wow players


instead of wasting time with this shit i would suggest to create better games in the first place. games these days are so bad, people dont even want to pirate them anymore.
try to get a codec for that.

cheese

recently more and more isp limit or downgrad their packages because users dare to use it to the limit. unlimited for you aint the same as unlimited for your isp

50ms latency/ping you barly get if you are honest. most of the times you play wiht 100ms+.
ontop of that put rendering time on ther servers, then the compression, then the packing and sending, then you receiving, then you unpacking and displaying. and all of that in hd and 50pictues a second.
no matter how good your codec is, none works without buffering. most of the times you wont recognize it beacuse its just a few ms. but i bet you will once you have a latency limit.


having a operating system or control system on the other hand is a whole other story. controling a spaceship flying towards the moon with 8mins delay might be acceptable. controling a renderfarm, securitysytem and and and with a few seconds delay wont hurt either.
for stuff like this, it makes perfect sense. but anything realtime related doesnt.

the hardware to render the game still has to be somewhere and somebody has to pay for it. and i bet it wont be onlive charging nothing for their services.
also you will pay per play as far as i can tell. one hour ten bucks...any game you like for example. causing a lot of new problems for wow players


instead of wasting time with this shit i would suggest to create better games in the first place. games these days are so bad, people dont even want to pirate them anymore.
try to get a codec for that.

cheese