Conitec pays people for good and usable additions. Maybe not too much, but they pay.

ahh forget it, machinery frank seems to be the only one that understood what i meant...

developing a game costs money? umm yh, i know but since when is making a decent graphical tech demo with a good game engine costly? the question isnt if gs can do it, its how long it takes to do it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZDAcyfpA1c

i wonder how much money they spent setting that up... i dont want them to build a game, just work thru setting up a decent demo like the above just so they can see problems, bottlenecks, workflow issues and show stoppers or the power of the scene management, as machinery_frank said...

garage games didnt make legions, they hired exis interactive to make it.

oh come on dude, help me out here... why'd you have to pay attention to that, just click on any torque scene or use the ones that the starter of this thread posted.. as i said, i'm content with the engine for what i want it to do... doesnt mean i cant point stuff out

Because I'm a pain in the ass :P

No, but this whole thread is useless, my only point was that this can be done with a7 and it's not nearly as difficult as anyone says. Granted one person can't do it all on there own, but if you have the budget to be making a game that needs those features then your not just one person anyways.

Point being that those engines ease comes with a cost, and I agree that they may be easier, I just tire of hearing users like why_do_i_die dog a7 as not being able to do these things (just because they aren't skilled enough to, and are apparently too lazy to research how to) and as if a7 is crap compared to them when there is a huge price difference so of course its going to be easier to do things.

Sheesh. If this much effort went into actually designing and creating an actual game (instead of arguing the merits of this game engine over that one) then imagine what could be accomplished.

EDIT: That was directed at no one in particular, btw.

I wonder why any of you guys updated to A6 or A7 in the first place, if all you need is detication and talent!

this aint about some shader or "one button miracle shit" at all. I am complaining about stoneage workflow that slows down project dramaticly. I am talking about features that cant be used in full projects. I am frustrated about 2 years without any major addon.

its a fucking joke that you cant even place some entities in your level with WED. This tool aint some editor its more of a torture instrument. Even creating BSP levels is a pain in the knee with it.
Even simple things like fast model placing or heightmap corrections are not possible.

Any project that needs more then one coder is 30% additional time needed just to combine that work.

Alternative platforms and systems are not anywhere visible. Physic system and multiplayer are made to prduce constant glitches ane error. not workin on a larger scale.

I am fine with the fact that gs is easy learning and stable. But being the only positive attribute left after 8 years is a shame!!! gs didnt gain anything but just got reduced to this two main selling points.
Ignoring the fact that some users might want to go from hobby to indy one day.
But it looks like gs aint comming with them.


for those who think arguing about tools you work every day with is useless, i cant help them. i dont like the fact that you can realize less and less projects with gs because it gets outdated and way to timeconsuming every month.

chis

no you cant, unless you remake then engine entirely, thats not the argument, certain features wouldnt have been possible with a6 or a5 that are possible with a7.

so updates make sense dont they!

cheers

they do make sense, and they have happened.