@Locsticmat :
Well , when you have on your desktop :
Gimp,Xnormal,Blender,Silo and 3DGS its a lot already.

Unity is All in One editor : one application, Torque Also.

why with 3DGS should we have to make a game to launch a bunch of applications ?
Switching between Med and WED is annoying a lot already.
I can't imagine switching now with WED,MED,GED ...
What it will be next ? DA ED? BORR ED ??

It's time perhaps for A7 to follow the All in One way.
Perhaps A7 fundations are too complicated for conitec team to make it All in One, or they don't have enought programmers !

@Losticmate :
I think you're lot more coder and don't spend lot of time in 3D art making. That's why for you A7 is ok !

Show us some the best 3D models you've done with specular/normal map ?

Well, yeah, but this switch to an emphasis on personal skills, teams and so on only makes sense!

The pure artists really shouldn't complain about 3dgs, it was never made with only them in mind as a target group and STILL it's probably one of the best choices around for pure artists.

I'm not joking when I say there's no engine that doesn't have a learning curve or need for actual programming if you want to make a unique and more advanced actual game, instead of minimalistic showcase projects which are effectively only rendering your models. You can use any engine for that, so why bother complaining if you don't really use the engine anyways?

Apart from that, most people regardless of engine choice, really should simply team up and take on projects together, finish them.. get rich (read: experience and results, not necessarily money) by combining their talent, not stubbornly wait until the and all be all perfect 'make me a DirectX14 game'-buttonized engine appears that will ruin the fun for everyone anyways.

Perhaps pure artists shouldn't try to make games, but paintings? Perhaps pure programmers shouldn't try to make art? Games obviously need both graphics and programming to be created, but it's really not an engine's fault that some people can't program or are lazy when it comes to setting up scenes and creating levels. Or for example when projects fail because some people can't be a good teamplayer.

It's odd how people even bother to argue about different engines so much anyways. Technical differences aside, most engines can do just about the same thing anyways, after all it's a tool to make games.

It's like people claiming one synthesizer (yeah, music industry example) is a lot better than the other, but truth is both can be used to make awesome music. The result matters! It's not an excuse for 3dgs being technically outdated, but it's not an argument to bash it, ultimately throwing it away as if it's completely useless either.

Funny thing is that I am not even really defending 3dgs now, but more so people's choice for whatever engine they decide to go or stick with.

Cheers

I dont see why 3dgs is supposed to be a programmer oriented engine while artists should go for Unity3d or other engines
I am myself more interested in programming but this is exactly one of the reason why I like Unity3d
In unity you can choose three modern programming languages : JavaScript, C# , Boo (phyton)
Not to mention the new " component " programming concept
Even though at the beginning I was skeptic , I must admit that it is better than the traditional class oriented programming style, at least for games

The 3dgs strong point is stability and the long experience in this businees but Conitec can not afford any further delay , in my opinion, unless they reduce the price down to 200-300 usd for the pro version

i'm still testing Unity3d, and actually i'm working with it by programming in c#, and i'm feeling like at home.

i hope to see a much more flexible scripting in A8, 'cause if i've to think to come back go SED after a day with c# and a context editor filled with "visual studio style" feature like, suggestions tips and contexct menu.... i'm feeeling bad to my stomach. :-\

i love A7 but, to be honest, unity looks coming from the future.
BUT..... A7 is much much more stable than Unity

Do you mean the engine or the editors?
Because, I can't believe that Unity isn't stable - I didn't play much games which are made with Unity, but I don't remember any problems with them.

yep I own Unity Indie , done some good bunch of experimentations and no problem.
Perhaps crashes comes form using C# instead of Javascript ?

For me it runs OK !

maybe ... maybe i've messed up with scripts and tuts, i'm in trial btw, so who know why, btw i've got 2 crash <_<'

/me very lucky

I also think that this is one of the main problems.

if you gave them money and lots of it i am sure they would do more. But in financial hardtimes like this crisis we are in and me living on Kapusta and JCL living on sourkrout! That goes for machine mech frank whats a programmer to do? Coca Cola is ripping my insides out, now i am pissing coke!

Man this world is seriously bent!

well true about the crisis... but think about it, if a developer behind gs was actually trying to make a game with it? dont you think it wouldve been better? because he would see is limitations... ever wonder y u never see a demo from conitec being advertised? am sure they wouldnt want to put the warehouse or venice demo on youtube or wherever and say "THIS IS WHAT OUR ENGINE CAN DO" it'd be a joke and you know it...

yes i know, users of gs have made great graphics but why not co-op with some of them since the cash isnt there?