@ Ventilator:
"how does this affect you in germany?"
Have you watched the video in the first post? (first 40 seconds)

It is not fearmongering that made me take action. It is the fact the all western countries are like "we have to respect radical islamists" while they are marching in, burning our flags etc etc.

Of course there are normal islamists. BUT a "normal" religous person wouldnt care about cartoons of their god or whatever.

And it is my goddamn right to say that muhammad is in my opinion a dickhead. Just like i say that the bible is bullshit. This has nothing to do with offense. It is just my personal opinion which i am allowed to express.

And it is not even my goal to offend them.

But you cant tell me that those guys here are just having a barbecue:

They are trying to offend.

And tomorrow i will draw Mohammad just to show them that they havent succesfully repressed my rights.
Thats all there is. And there is nothing wrong with it.

From the opponents party your freedom of speech is an attack on their own personal values, so it's clearly an action because your freedom of speech harms the others personal ... let's call it point of view.
Besides the discussion whether it's freedom of speech or not, what is your personal benefit in showing those cartoons, as apparently this only causes anger on the other side? The personal satisfaction of "hey, I can post this, no matter if I insult the other or not, I dont care!" ?


And you think, that by making them even more upset you're going to change something into a positive solution for both?

Respecting radical islamists? Marching in??? Wtf?


Yes, that's your right. The only thing you forgot is that you're hurting religious feelings of other people with such statements. And for no reason and no effect. That's not kind.


There is wrong with it that you disrespect other people.

Oh we hurt their feelings. Those poor islamists.
SERIOUSLY. There were a bunch of cartoons and a mob of radical islamists came shouting "We want danish blood".

Please watch this video and say again that you totally disagree.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7ok4njJXI8
If you are able to seriously do it i will rest my case on this topic too.

That looks more like Achmed to me.

You did not get my point. I don't care about the radical islamists. I don't give a fuck about them. But I do give a fuck about all the other peaceful people believing in islam, that are gonna be offended by these cartoons. There is even a chance that some of them will turn more radical as you make fun of their religion.

I have the right to draw any picture that offends you, Puppeteer. I agree. But if I made an image that offended you in order to show you my rights it was just dumb, offensive and wouldn't lead to any other result than resignation or agression. You do nothing good with this.

EDIT: And hence, yes. I totally disagree with the video. Free speech is one of the most valuable things we have. But this action does not save our free speech, it's just a dumb and offensive action.

Let them become as radical as they can, maybe they reach above the highest ethical levels of free-speech society to undertake serious action, and be done with the extremists for good. There is no other way to solve it, it seems. Better have another bloody war for both side once and be done with it, than extremists spoiling blood on free-speech people, while they don't dare to do anything back other than DISCUSS IT UNTIL ETERNITY.

Disclaimer. I'm not part of either party, no extremist nor full freedom. When I can, I'll withdraw from mass-society and live in peace in a small local medieval eco-village, focussing on survival rather than revenge and power. Mass-societies just screw the planet. Until then, sarcasm all the way .

Now i get your point. And i agree.
But i still think we have to do something about radical islamists.
And even though it might be childish and wont save free speech, i will still participate tomorrow.

[And even though i dont like saying it : your point kinda opened my eyes. Thanks for that.]

@Uhrwerk Actually who have no point, you trying to appease these tactics never worked in history, appeasement never secured freedom. Muslims also think that you shouldn't drink alcohol or eat pork I hope you not doing that because that could be an offense to the less enlightened muslims. You should care about radical islam und all the people who will become radical because of some pictures becasue they don't know anything about how a civil society works and they will also not defend your freedom of speech.

Have the jews,hindus,christians aso. became more radical because of funny cartoons about them ?

The real problem is not that pictures are drawn of Muhammed (because that happened in the islamic world before and nobody was offended by it in the past), the problem for these folks is that now the infidels(2nd class) draw these pictures which is not allowed in their mind.

I really hope that more enlightened muslims stand up for these freedoms because that is going to make a difference. People want to sound tolerant by saying lets not offend them, but where were they when the iran make a cartoon contest about the holocaust(which no problem they also can express what they want) or the taliban destroying the Bubba statues but I see jews and budists are not treatening with death.

The reason why we already lost alot of freedoms is becasue of people like Uhrwerk, people (as he says) don't give a fuck but want to educate others on what to do.

Tolerance out of fear is no tolerance.

Since this argument will not be settled I'am going to stop here, big thanks to Michael Schwarz, Puppeteer,Lukas,Hummel you really seem to have an understanding what freedom of speech means.

Happy Everybody Draw Muhammed Day!

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