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Re: Why God exists [Re: sPlKe] #334259
07/22/10 06:02
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Re: Why God exists [Re: Sajeth] #334260
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AMEN!

oh and sorry for my outburst. im just fed up. i put the creature on ignore and thats that...

Re: Why God exists [Re: sPlKe] #334349
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sPIKe, you are, and I don't care if I get banned, the most childish, ignorant, horrible English'ed (If that's even a word tongue ), weirdo I have ever had the displeasure to know that exists. In fact, I hope you realize that God exists and that you will accept Christ as Lord and Savior, as well as being the Son of God, just so I can see one more soul in Heaven. If you had a big enough mind to even grasp that all of our universe didn't happen by chance, you would realize that God is the true Creator of it. I don't need to achieve anything in earthly life, as long as I have achieved salvation. This day, I will pray for you, hoping you will come to see the truth. (I also, am part of the HIGHEST humans that ever helped our planet. No, not the planet itself, but the people.)

And yes, I enjoy trying to get people to come see the truth. Now do everything a favor and realize the truth. -.-

In the Grace of God,
-Jake

Re: Why God exists [Re: Joquan] #334351
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Meh, I've seen better attempts at trolling.
3/10


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Re: Why God exists [Re: Sajeth] #334352
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Yeah, but... Who is Lu?
Re: Why God exists [Re: achaziel] #334446
07/23/10 12:12
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I think there should be the rule that posting anything that comes directly from *chan leads to an instant ban.

Dont people realize that this makes them look like underage morons? I have to fight with this kind of crap in my community too, its annoying as hell.


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Re: Why God exists [Re: Joquan] #334472
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Originally Posted By: Joquan
If you had a big enough mind to even grasp that all of our universe didn't happen by chance


You do not understand what you're saying here, nor do you understand what chance actually has to do with evolution. As it's very little actually depending on what your definition of 'chance' really is.

Causality plays a very big role in evolution (and the coming into existence of everything actually). It deals with probabilities, but not with 'chance' the way you think. Evolution is not based on some kind of dumb random luck!

The coming into existence of our universe has a non-supernatural cause and the many events after the big bang lead to where we are now. (Deterministic or not, doesn't even matter.) We already know about most of those events in very great detail down to the presumably first couple of seconds of our universe(s?).

Again, evolution isn't accidental. It's not driven by some kind of force like a God being causing progress or guiding it around either, it just works with a few extremely simple rules.

Whatever change caused; whatever works or causes no harm to a species survival in the longer run will (or at least can) survive into later generations. Its why evolution looks like a design, but actually really isn't. It adapts to conditions of the past through selection forces, which could be anything from environmental change to competing with other species in the same space (ie. 'natural selection').

There's a whole ocean load of arguments against a divine creator ( a being that we obviously can not even see or detect ), especially considering the mountain of evidence in favor of evolution out there.

If you really think random dumb luck is the force behind evolution, then I'd encourage you to read Richard Dawkins' The blind watchmaker and enlighten yourself about what evolution is really all about.

Of course religious people tend to reject whatever doesn't suit their ideological needs by definition, but it will rationally explain why your argument has no ground whatsoever in light of the actual scientific theory.


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Re: Why God exists [Re: PHeMoX] #334479
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Its a very simple logic. No matter how unsignificant the chance of the universe + intelligent life being created was, it was a matter of fact that it must have happened, otherwise we wouldnt be discussing about this. The universe is created in the moment there is life. A universe that isnt noticed by anyone does not exist. And because time is relative to the viewer, all the time of the universe where there was no living being was _nothing_, pushing the chance for life to form until it finally happened.


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Re: Why God exists [Re: Sajeth] #334488
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Originally Posted By: PHeMoX
If you really think random dumb luck is the force behind evolution, then I'd encourage you to read Richard Dawkins' The blind watchmaker and enlighten yourself about what evolution is really all about.

There is already a new book by Richard Dawkins, which is especially about the evidence of evolution, "The Greatest Show on Earth". I read both books and I think "The Greatest Show on Earth" is even more convincing than "The blind Watchmaker". laugh

(But we both know he is never going to read any of these books anyway, because he already "knows" the answer frown )

Re: Why God exists [Re: Lukas] #334490
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Dawkins is a bit over-critical I think.

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