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Re: a universe from nothing
[Re: AlbertoT]
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Ouch, my brain hurts... its been stretched too far...
In the video, in the 'hilberts hotel' section, he speaks of combining infinites. And this has made me realise that infinity is larger than I previously believed.
Follow this logic... 1> Assume the 'universe' is infinite is size. 2> It therefore has room to contain an infinite number of 'child' universes. 3> These 'child' universes have the room within the 'parent' to not touch each other, seeing as the 'parent' is infinite is size. 4> Each 'child' universe will also have the room within the 'parent' to be infinite in size. So go back to step one for each 'child'.
Thats BIG...
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Re: a universe from nothing
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08/28/10 01:10
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It all depends on your personal interpretation of 'early life'. (this timescale is pretty rough BTW)
4 billion years ago, the earth was still soft and molten.
3 billion years ago, it has cooled enough for here to be 'oceans'.
2 billion years ago, erarly life was just "slime" that could spread.
1 billion years ago, some of it developed enough to be called 'plants'.
It took till a mere 300 million years ago before the first fish-with-spines appeared. TO ME, that is "early" life.
I see your point though, we are a young planet in a young universe. But life here "wasted" much of our 4 billion years.
What if 'life' on another planet didnt waste as much time being slime as we did?
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Re: a universe from nothing
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I feel the (mathematically) like HAS evolved to our level or higher elsewhere.
We havent heard from them merely due to the vast distances involved. The greater the distance, the longer it will take for something as primitive as 'radio' transmissions to reach each other. Its just too far I think.
Once we get a Faster-Than-Light communications system figured out (IF possible), then we will start hearing someTHING...
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Re: a universe from nothing
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We just have different opinions there then.
To me its a certainty, due to the sheer numbers involved.
There are are monsterously huge numbers of stars, only some of which have planets. Of that (still) stunningly huge number of planets, only some are capable of supporting life. Of that remaining amazingly huge number of life support-able planets, only some get lucky enough to form. Of that remaining vastly huge number of life supporting planets, only some get lucky enough to form higher life-forms. Of that remaining (still) huge number of planets with higher life, only some get lucky enough not to nuke themselves out of existance.
So seeing as we are starting with billion upon billion upon billions of stars, near infinate, then intelligent developed life (in my opinion) IS out there somewhere. But its unlikely we will be close enough to make contact without FTL of some sort... Think of is as we have evolved on a grain of sand on a beah America, and other life evolved on a grain of sand on a beach in china....
"lucky coincidence"'s occur often when trialled MANY MANY times...
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Re: a universe from nothing
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08/28/10 16:16
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Nice talk there, funny biologist jokes too . A Creator IS needed. When people die, what happens to them? They can't just be removed from existence. Why not? That's the cycle of life and death. Even if there was a place where you go when you die, with so many dead people over all the years, it would be a terribly crowded place. Why would I want to go there? No matter how I agree with Michael, 18 billion people died over the last 17 thousand years, and 18 billion living people is what we will soon reach. Pretty crowded world .
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Re: a universe from nothing
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if that empty space has mass then gravity would pull everything apart...is this the mechanism of universal expansion?
The amazing discovery was not the universal expansion rather the universal acceleration Both ordinary matter and dark matter are attractive thus the expansion should slow down after the big bang The Einstein's equation of general relativiy claims that it would be possible to have also a repulsive gravitational force if you have a negative pressure Remember when Mr Krauss moved the constant from the left to the right side of the equation The dark energy can supply a sufficient repulsive force at the condition that it is diffused everywhere ,its density being of course, extremely low . Consequently vacuum does not exist or even better "vacuum" can not exist Remember when Mr Krauss showed the computer simulation of the space "grid" If vacuum exist than quantum physics is wrong but Quantum Physics is right being confirmed by thousand experimets The dark energy is a direct consequence of the Heisemberg's principle of indetermination and it had been confirmed in Lab, many years after, thanks to the Kasimiri's effect A few years ago it has been drammatically further confirmed at universal scale Thus the title " Univere from nothing "
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