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Re: Minecraft Server
[Re: Captain_Kiyaku]
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12/15/10 09:09
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EvilSOB
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To my mind, if you place it, no bad.
BUT, once YOU wire it up to any type of detonator, that is "morally" the same as having detonated it.
Think on it this way... Dude-A builds a brick wall, and Dude-B smashes his car into it. Who is at fault, 1> Dude-B for driving his car on the highway... 2> or Dude-A for building the wall ACROSS THE HIGHWAY...
I go for option 2 myself....
[EDIT] or maybe option 3 = The city council for building the highway where someone MIGHT build a wall across it...
"There is no fate but what WE make." - CEO Cyberdyne Systems Corp. A8.30.5 Commercial
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Re: Minecraft Server
[Re: Joozey]
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12/15/10 09:50
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WretchedSid
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I have some TNT left, shall we test it?
Shitlord by trade and passion. Graphics programmer at Laminar Research. I write blog posts at feresignum.com
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Re: Minecraft Server
[Re: Michael_Schwarz]
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12/15/10 10:58
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Sajeth
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Why dont you just remove TNT/the ability to detonate it instead of banning players placing it...
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Re: Minecraft Server
[Re: Sajeth]
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12/15/10 11:27
12/15/10 11:27
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First of all, you can still place TNT, as much as you like, build a house out of it for all I care.
Second of all, you cannot entirely ban TNT as an item, there are always ways around. (= inventory hacks)
and finally, TNT is being prevented from detonation, but the intent to detonate it alone shows me that someone just doesn't get it if I repeat 30000x not to use TNT. And if one can't comprehend that, or doesn't want to. It shows me that he/she is probably not a team player or a rule-follower, and I don't want that kind of person on my server.
"Sometimes JCL reminds me of Notch, but more competent" ~ Kiyaku
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Re: Minecraft Server
[Re: Cowabanga]
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12/15/10 17:14
12/15/10 17:14
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achaziel
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As I said, it's only a thought experiment. Still, I was hoping that someone who knows how that autoban - plugin works (hint, hint) could answer that. According to Mike, anyone who ignites TNT gets banned. Read IGNITE, so stepping on said pressure plate would cause the TNT to go off.... Think on it this way... Dude-A builds a brick wall, and Dude-B smashes his car into it. Who is at fault, 1> Dude-B for driving his car on the highway... 2> or Dude-A for building the wall ACROSS THE HIGHWAY...
Good point, but still, I wonder how the plugin would handle the situation described by me. Let's gather the facts... 1) Manufacturing TNT won't get you banned. 2) Placing TNT will get you a warning, but no ban. 3) Igniting the TNT WILL get you banned. 4) Building anything near a TNT block won't get you banned either, obviously. 5) The user who places the TNT doesn't ignite it as long as he doesn't step on the pressure plate. You see, this is not a question of "Who's guilty?". Of course it's my guilt if I place a Landmine somewhere and kill somebody with it. For example. It's more of a question of "Who causes the detonation?", which is more likely a question the plugin would ask itself, as far as I'm concerned. I can't say it often enough, nobody plans to actually go nuts and place TNT landmines everywhere, (Even though we would have a lot less problems with mobs) it's just a random question that popped into my mind while playing late at night yesterday; It might be irrelevant, but nosy as I am, to me this question is very interesting. That's all.
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Re: Minecraft Server
[Re: achaziel]
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12/15/10 17:40
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Oh, I see. I dont know hot IT works, but here is how I would code it...
1> TNT is placed. IF placement is banned, kick player and remove TNT, ELSE continue.
2> TNT is 'click-ignited'. IF triggering is banned, kick player and extinguish or remove TNT, ELSE continue.
3> TNT is triggered by 'electricity'. IF triggering is banned, kick player who LAST 'completed' electrical circuit connected to this TNT and extinguish or remove TNT.
What I mean is whomever connects the TNT to the 'detonator' is the guilty party, so whomever completes the circuit gets remembered as the 'owner'.
But if it gets disconnected at any time, ownership is lost.
And whomever RE-connects it takes ownership.
Get what I mean...
"There is no fate but what WE make." - CEO Cyberdyne Systems Corp. A8.30.5 Commercial
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