I agree also , the debate don't matter !
Only a demo can speak from itself
That's lot of years A7/A8 never had a big demo (given with the
dev kit), and it will be great if one day they decide to
really make it
It could be done by using next gen models instead of forver old low poly models on A8 !
Bought animated 3D models, and vegetation, pro textures, all that in a terrain with some basic gameplay, kill nearest ennemies AI !

I don't understand why A8 don't have some next gen animated character within it ??
Why not showing the best it can do ? Who can do a lot can do less indeed !
Showing next gen poer of A8 !
If it can do that indeed it can do low poly games on laptop and old PC !!

Well just my commercial point of view !

For me A8 goes down the drain when working with MANY entities.
The number of triangles does not matter that much anymore (speaking of ~100 triangles per entity).... but beyond 5000 entities visible at the same time it gets frustratingly slow...

It probably creates too much draw calls then. I dont know much about the insides how it renders, since I cant see the source code of the engine. But to speed things up it has to batch those items. Polygons in the view frustum sharing the same material could be sent all at once to the graphics card as an example.

But another problem can be the entity database. Maybe looking up these thousands of entities is just too slow.

I will restructure everything to reduce the entity number by 60 to 70%.

Unfortunately this will not resolve in an equivalent fps increase as I'll have multi textured entities then. This will require more draw calls again.

In my small tests it performed about 30% better than the entity solution, but the whole thing was tested in a small scaled app only.

The real speed behaviour I'll only see after I've adapted everything...

Maybe you can cut your static geometry that way, that all polygons with a certain material are in one layer. In LW or Modo I can select a material of a scene. So I can cut it out and put it in an extra layer. So when you have 10 materials you will have 10 submeshes. But this makes only sense for a certain area, like a room. In an outdoor scene you also have to cut it into parts that way, that the view frustum culling can switch it off, when they are no more visible.

I need entity based ambient lighting (entity.ambient)... so the albedo and ambient values will differ. Another nightmare is, that EVERYTHING is theoretically dynamic. If I merge stuff which does not belong together by definition, I may break things somewhere else.

But this thread is the wrong place for this discussion. Maybe it should be split.

this game looks awesome and if it's really made with A8 then
my hat is off for the creators. I am still wondering the txt says it's a free game but how dit they get the licence to use marvel/disney characters. Friends over there ? or a big box with money ? just wondering.


(marvel is part of disney)

They are creating the game for TTCocuk. That stands for Turk Telekom Cocuk(children). Turk Telekom is europe's one of the largest(subscriber count?) telecommunication companies. It has a lot of divisions, ISP, telephone, steam-like game distribution, online music distrubition etc. F.i i am currently using TTnet ADSL, ttnet being their ISP division. That's where the money comes from.

I am guessing they already had some kind of deal with Disney and Marvel, i remember seeing Hannah Montana(disney right?) stuff on tv commercials of TTCocuk.

news etc are still Turkish but you can see TTCocuk's english website here:
http://www.ttcocuk.com/home/index.aspx?lang=en

It looks nice but is nobody wondering what iron man, the hulk and spider man are doing in there?

basically, helping wannabe superhero SuperCan to save the trees and forests from evil robots