You mean Judaism.

It's true that Christianity has been used (and manipulated) to meet political agendas. Religions often have. Separation of Church and State prevents the twisting and perversion of religions by political agendas, but other scapegoats can always be found -- WMDs, for example. If the US was attached to a church like many powers were centuries ago, it'd be a religious excuse. It'd be no more justifiable. And the religion getting abused would be no more to blame.

Jibb

Christianity and Judaism are the same religion with a couple of changed rules, and an update on the supposed way to go to heaven. they still believe in circumcision and they still believe that the destroying of Jericho, or any other nation, if god's will, is appropriate and justified.

Christians don't practice circumcision -- this changed early enough that you can find it in the book of Acts when they're asking if non-Jewish believers should have to be circumcised, and they decide not.

Also, Judaism (or at least Old Testament Judaism) doesn't have a concept of Heaven or Hell as an afterlife -- just an unknowable pseudo-existence (Sheol) for everyone, regardless of faith or "righteousness".

Jibb

About the initial post:

The nuclear Bombing Japan was not mainly pursued to end the war or whatever.
The main purpose was to show off the magnitute and effectiveness of the bombs.
(In fact, the bombs where in production for years,
and where initially thought to be used against Germany.)

The second bombing was to test the difference between
Uranium and Plutonium designs.

Add some propaganda and Hollywood movies, and the bombing
is regarded "nessesary" in the US.

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In the end, using the V2 Rockets by Germany had the same
intentions. it was a new technology, used to show off and scare opponents.
Its a war logic, but its not "moral" by todays understanding.

Actually, there is a very big difference between the two religions. True Christianity is about salvation by faith alone. That's stressed repeatedly in the Bible, especially the New Testament. Judaism is based on salvation through physical, human works of redemption. Sure, we both believe in one sole God, but the similarities stop right about there.

Christianity has nothing to do with church attendance, priests, crusades, worship of the saints, or any of those other physical institutions. Like many people, you have confused Christianity with Roman Catholicism, which in my opinion is a complete heresy. The Roman Catholic church has performed hundreds of atrocities (like the ones you mentioned) in the name of God. They kept the Bible locked up for hundreds of years through the middle ages, and led people on wild goose chases for redemption.

True Christianity has nothing to do with that. The Christianity I follow is known as Protestantism, which you can see here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestantism

About circumcision: circumcision is a law of Judaism, but is not a part of Christianity. Some christian parents do it as a symbol of their family's beliefs, but it is not required by God.

Finally, about Jericho: God was not wrong for having the people there slaughtered. Man is wholly God's, and He has the right to build up, and to destroy. God is not on the same level of being that man is, and He does not "owe" us anything, not even life. Nonetheless, He is a God who loves man and is not quick to anger.

I do not have it confused at all. I was a non-denominational christian most of my life until i started using a little common sense and logic. I know full well that original judaism is based off of works and sacrifice. but christianity's only difference is that if you believe christ to be the ultimate sacrifice as opposed to your first fruits, best cattle , whatever.. then you'll be forgiven. It doesnt mean though that things like the 10 commandments, and everything else in the old testament is meaningless to the religion. You just get a free get out of jail card if you screw up.

And please. dont try to tell me what i have confused about the christian religion. I very much understand the difference.

10 seconds on google:
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/nt_list.html
and your saying the new testament doesnt promote violence? and again, you still are dodging the question of what religion and polotics have to do with eachother, or why the government needs to have any correlation with the questions like "why are we here" and such.

Let's not get carried too far off topic by unrelated religious discussion (pro- or anti-). Such discussions are what this forum is made for, but not this topic.

Jibb

yeah, thats why i had to add that last part, it seems like topics in this forum always somehow get dragged to religion

Yeah, I was doing it too -- it's so hard not to!

Jibb

I'm not dodging the question, it's just hard for me to keep track of a discussion as stringy as this one.

It seems to me that we can't convince each other of anything, so the best thing to do would be to stop arguing.

Besides, Jibb's right... This thread has nothing to do with religion. I had a purpose for starting up that discussion, but I should've done it in another thread.