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Re: nuclear meltdown in japan [Re: Xarthor] #363903
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@Xarthor:
The waste we got under control, all other sources that polute our planet we do not. Like cosmic and earth radiation, food, everyone else's body. At average you get about 300 mrem a year. A nuclear powerplant produces 0.01 mrem a year to your body. It is as good as neglectible (and a coal power plant produces thrice as much radiation in the air!). When those commercial space companies start commercialising their space flights in the next 20 years, nuclear waste is no problem anymore whatsoever. And even if it would take 50 years, gathering 50 years of nuclear waste pending to be shot in space is not that much considering the large amount of storage space we have available on earth.

For reference: http://www.blackcatsystems.com/GM/safe_radiation.html

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Re: nuclear meltdown in japan [Re: Damocles_] #363904
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I like how my mom thinks that we now have soooo clean electricity in our house because she signed up for this green electricity bullshit. Naaah, no way we still use electricity generated by french nuclear power plant, it comes straight from a bavarian damn.

What I like even more are people now telling that we should use 1% of the Sahara for a laaaarge solar panel field, because transmitting energy over such a big distance is sooo cheap and not a single volt is lost. And of course, depending on another country is the best step we can ever make and no one will steal the copper because we all love each other so much <3


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Re: nuclear meltdown in japan [Re: WretchedSid] #363905
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Originally Posted By: JustSid
I like how my mom thinks that we now have soooo clean electricity in our house because she signed up for this green electricity bullshit. Naaah, no way we still use electricity generated by french nuclear power plant, it comes straight from a bavarian damn.

What I like even more are people now telling that we should use 1% of the Sahara for a laaaarge solar panel field, because transmitting energy over such a big distance is sooo cheap and not a single volt is lost. And of course, depending on another country is the best step we can ever make and no one will steal the copper because we all love each other so much <3

lol


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Re: nuclear meltdown in japan [Re: WretchedSid] #363906
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Here a live geiger counter in Tokyo: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/geiger-counter-tokyo


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Re: nuclear meltdown in japan [Re: Joozey] #363919
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of course everything gets mixed together in the grid but you can control where your money goes to.

and ever heard of HVDC? a european HVDC grid would make a lot of sense. i wouldn't like to depend on some african countries either but there also is norway, spain and so on.

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shooting the waste into space would be crazy. rocket technology is about as reliable as nuclear power plant technology. laugh there are about 500 nuclear power plants on the planet and more than every 100th has had a very severe accident in the last 50 years. i don't think this is a very good rate if you think what is at stake.

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i don't know what kind of plant poland is building but i hope something more modern than germany's oldest plants? so switching off the oldest german plants doesn't have to be silly. but probably this just is an election thing anyway. the cdu and fpd seem to be a little scared.

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the waste under control? the germans seem to have a lot fun in asse.

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just because a strong quake is very unlikely doesn't mean that it can't happen in europe. some plants like the one in slovenia are on risky faults. the plants also often are near rivers were floods can happen too.

Re: nuclear meltdown in japan [Re: Xarthor] #363920
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Originally Posted By: Xarthor
Well, so we can store the radioactive-waste in your basement? What I mean is: Sure we have no major earthquakes here. (there are smaller ones in some parts of germany) But nevertheless technology can fail and the amount of damage if a nuclear power plant fails is so much bigger than in any other case that you just cannot call it safe. Furthermore there is still no method of handling the radioactive-waste and store it in the future.


The Castor containers are perfectly safe, and would survive a fall from a bridge with no damage other than some paint scratches, so yes, I would allow them to store one in my basement (if they can figure out how to fit it through the doors)

And I don't know how often I have to keep saying this: There is a solution to the depleted waste from the NPPs. It's called a Traveling Wave Reactor. The problem is that almost noone wants to invest money in it, because there is no profit in it for a long time (development, prototype building, mass production) before money comes back.

So instead of complaining about nuclear power plants, how about complaining to the government that they should invest some money in TWR's instead of using the tax money to fly around the world in private jets?


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Re: nuclear meltdown in japan [Re: ventilator] #363921
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shooting the waste into space would be crazy. rocket technology is about as reliable as nuclear power plant technology. laugh there are about 500 nuclear power plants on the planet and more than every 100th has had a very severe accident in the last 50 years. i don't think this is a very good rate if you think what is at stake.

Rockets, maybe. Although the amount of space debris is pretty vast, a lot of commercial satellites are orbiting our planet, brought up by unmanned rockets. But the two largest commercial space companies are finishing their developments of airplanes that launch their cargo to space from greater height, it is very reliable.


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Re: nuclear meltdown in japan [Re: ventilator] #363922
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Originally Posted By: ventilator
of course everything gets mixed together in the grid but you can control where your money goes to.

Sure, but it doesn't change the fact that our energy company buys electricity from the france power plant, some small amount goes into some dam project and the rest goes right into their pocket (the contract which congratulates her for the wise choice guarantees only 15% green energy for twice the price!)


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Re: nuclear meltdown in japan [Re: Joozey] #363923
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But utterly expensive. I'd rather have it buried far away from groundwater.

Re: nuclear meltdown in japan [Re: Michael_Schwarz] #363924
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Originally Posted By: Michael_Schwarz
The Castor containers are perfectly safe, and would survive a fall from a bridge with no damage other than some paint scratches, so yes, I would allow them to store one in my basement (if they can figure out how to fit it through the doors)

I want one too, they are hot enough to warm us in the winter and to cook on it.


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