I see that logic, for sure, but how different is it to used-car sales? I know a lot of people who only buy used cars, because they're cheaper but for all intents and purposes just as good. Or used DVDs, used game consoles... what's okay for resale and what's not?

I often buy on iBay24 or gamecard.mobi. I think these are the "bad" resellers because they "destroy" the market with cheaper codes from China and Russia. Nevertheless for you as a customer it`s a great service and you often get games 50-75% cheaper.

I'm sorry, I misunderstood PadMalcom. I'm all in favor of the used games market, and when I said:

I was referring to the screwy state of the IP laws.

Braucht jemand zufällig

Photoshop Elements 5 und Premiere Elements 3 für 15€ inklusive Versand? Ist in gutem Zustand inklusive CD-Keys etc.

Für 20€ habe ich noch ein Buch über Blender 2.5 (das hier, sehr empfehlenswert, aber schon gelesen) und kostenlos dazu ein Buch über DirectX9 und Visual C++ (das hier).

Achja und wers braucht: Zelda Ocarina of Time 3D für Nintendo 3DS hab ich auch noch übrig. Aber das geb ich unter 29,90€ Einzelpreis nicht her.

Edit: Oh, ganz vergessen. Falls jemand Interesse hat: Ich hab hier noch Monkey Island 1 und 2 inklusive Drehscheiben als Monkey Island Collection in Pappschachtel rumstehen. Zustand ist 1A. Ist ein Sammlerstück. Weil Monkey Island 3 aber fehlt, ebenfalls 29,90€

I have A license of MessiahStudio 5 Pro for sale. Asking $175 OBO.
http://www.projectmessiah.com/x6/shop.html

About that minecraft thing, it is still possible to buy cheaper gift codes that can be activated to create a new account. FYI

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Minecraft-Gift-Co...=item3369af1b51
7,75 €

Someone interested in Xbox360 Live Points... Buyed 1600 on 4th Jan but i havent read the description correctly... This points could only used by US Users...
Payed 18€ for it... Would sell it for 10€ .

regards Sebastian

Thanks for the Minecraft link. Problem is that I don`t have any time left for gaming at the moment.

A game is not something you own. Its something you pay for to consume. You buy a license to it.
(You also dont own the text when you buy a book)
Just beucause in the past the software had to be distributed on a physical medium, it does not mean its like buying a butter-knife that you can pass around and sell it to the neighbors.

Its the same with a movie ticket or a trainride. You cant use it and sell it afterward to someone.
You also cant morally claim, just bacause the train or theater is empty that you can invite all your friends with your single tickets for the ride.

Of course noone knows if you sell a game CD to someone,
but this does not mean you should have the same rights
with an online distributed downloadable game.
There you only pay for your personal right to consume it.

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BTW: given the potential gameplaytime you could enjoy playing minecraft, 20€ is quite cheap.
If you spend lets say 40 hours in the game (single + multiplayer),
thats 50Cents per hour. (there are certainly people who spend weeks in the game, lets assume a normal user)

a movie in the cinema costs like 4€ per hour.

Some highend GFX singleplayer shooters cost you maybe 2€ per hour.

Many Phoneapps wont enterntain you more than 1 hour.
Thats then 99Cent per hour.


I always mentally price the games according to quality entertainment time.
This is a much better comparisson than the rough pricetag.

(Going out with a nice girl cost 40€ for the meal and 348.642€ for
the next 50 years.
)

Sure, you can pick and choose your analogies, but I don't think one-time events (you pay for a ticket for a particular train ride, or a particular movie session) are a good comparison. A car is a much better comparison, since the customer can use it whenever they want and, when they sell it, can no longer use it (perhaps a little naive, but this is generally true for console games, where most of the debate lies anyway).

I understand the difference between owning a product and having a license to it, so let's do away with the used cars comparison as well -- even though the very reason we get licenses to software and not actual ownership is so that distributors can sell games like cars and then have legal grounds to sue pirates (but why stop someone from selling their license?).

Anyway, let's consider used DVDs instead. Much more similar to used games. This is common practice -- rental stores sell some of their older DVDs when there's less demand for them. Or let's go back to your book comparison ("You also don't own the text when you buy a book") -- I've never heard of an outcry against used-book sales, even though they are quite common.

Regarding cost-per-hour, how much is Killing Floor? My brother has at least 100 hours invested in that game. Incredible value. And I hear a lot of people sink similar hours into Skyrim. The cost-per-hour thing makes me more inclined to buy multiplayer games, since good ones usually last much longer than most single player games.