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Re: Mac and Linux (no, really!)
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the more platforms you support the more maintainance work will have to be done and this will suck with such a small team. The less platforms you support the less Gamestudio-copys you sell. And that does neither help Gamestudio`s future nor the budget for the needful increasement of the team size and development speed.
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Re: Mac and Linux (no, really!)
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12/18/11 22:11
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I want to add another word on the console topic to finally close this idiocy: Developing for consoles is the most dumb thing you can do. first, just ebcause you can do it doesnt mean that the console developers let you. secondly, even if they let you, you still need a licence. the cheapest out there would be nintendo Wi, with 5000 bucks per licence a year. next is microsoft with the XBLA retail licence (developing for free is free, but that wont help either of us) 15 000 dollars and then there are the 35 000 bucks a licence a year for the sony system. and if you can afford those licenses then by all means you dont need gamestudio.
now here is for the interesting part: Errors numbers are safe and sound, and 35% of downloas and sales equal a load of money. furthermore, it just proves that the engine needs to evolve. what i see here is that if gamestudio supports mac and linux, adding additional support for androids, windows phones and iphones aswell as tablets should bea easy, since
a.) mac=mac. there is a difference, shure, but thats easy to overcome if a basica mac support exists and
b.) with a working linux kernel you can port to smartphones more easily. it still is work, but it works.
oh and btw, PS3 and Wii both support the linux kernel. I am doing a freeware homebrew Wii and PC game so you can trust me on that one...
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Re: Mac and Linux (no, really!)
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12/20/11 15:58
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@PadMalcom: To all of you: Do you really think you have more experience in the game engine market than the guys from Conitec/oP Group? I think everything they do they do on purpose. The same could be said in response to any feature request in the Future forum, including your desire to have GS work on XBox. Still, Conitec has a reputation for taking community requests into account in development. Do you think you have more experience than Wolfire? They say: To conclude, if you're not supporting Linux and Mac OS X from a philosophical standpoint or for the fans, at least do it for the money. If you don't support non-Windows platforms, you're leaving a lot of cash on the table. Don't forget Super Meat Boy's story, or that Cthulhu Saves The World made more on PC in 6 days than it did on XBox in a year. @jcl: Any thoughts? There are a lot of good stats here, and the stats of every Humble Bundle to date seem to support them. I love GS, I really do. But given the community feedback I've had, I don't want to make another Windows-only game when KarBOOM is finished. It'd be absolutely amazing if KarBOOM could support Mac and Linux. I'm certainly not going to port it to another engine, but I'm definitely considering cross platform solutions for whatever comes next.
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Re: Mac and Linux (no, really!)
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12/20/11 18:32
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Let`s continue this discussion somewhere else, PadMalcom. It`s not a personal thing, but I don`t think that a "feature request" forum is the right place for this. Most likely the Linux-market for a tool like Gamestudio is even bigger than the Windows market. It`s about target group-oriented thinking and getting a unique characteristic to Gamestudio. By supporting all major PC operating systems (which Unity doesn't), it's not just exposing us to a 15-20% larger market - it's exposing us to markets where games and game developing suites and engines are relatively spare and people are plentiful and desperate.
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Re: Mac and Linux (no, really!)
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12/20/11 21:10
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Why nit completing and selling a game first on PC ! Than if success comes, think in Mac, not before. Because I'd have to code the game again from scratch and use another engine or my own solution to work on Mac and/or Linux. If I can do that, I might as well just use a cross-platform solution to begin with.
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Re: Mac and Linux (no, really!)
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12/20/11 23:30
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Why nit completing and selling a game first on PC ! Than if success comes, think in Mac, not before. Because I'd have to code the game again from scratch and use another engine or my own solution to work on Mac and/or Linux. If I can do that, I might as well just use a cross-platform solution to begin with. agreed. i already have 5 completed games for PC out there, and i will not re-do them. if i can just push a button and have them compiled for Mac or linux, well, there is a different story. even if its more complicated than that, this should be an option. ps.: i dont belive that, i know it: http://download.microsoft.com/download/8...rtnerschaft.pdf page 33. btw this entire document is a SHORT guideline what you need to become alicensed 360 dev. Can we please just stop this nonsense now and concentrate on the topic at hand, namely the simple fact that it would only help everyone if GS would support mac and linux?
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@jcl: Mac and Linux (no, really!)
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@jcl: Is there an official Conitec response? Is this a case of further research being done before giving an answer, or of such a request not being worth an answer?
I've edited the first post to include most of the stats that were brought up in this thread, and Rondidon has brought attention to a few of the more significant points by quoting them again so they shouldn't be hard to miss.
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