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6D Joints / Hinge Joints and vehicles #405378 07/29/12 20:55 07/29/12 20:55
Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 3,207 Germany, Magdeburg Rei_Ayanami OP Expert
Rei_Ayanami OP Expert Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 3,207 Germany, Magdeburg	Hey guys! I am currently working on car physics (using PhysX in A8) and I have stumbled upon a problem: the wheels. Generally the PhysX SDK would provide wheel functions, however, they are not included in the GS-Wrapper. Furthermore, I cannotuse the raycast-wheel GS delivers, because I need to have more settings on the wheel (like mass, friction etc, that actually has an effect on the wheel). Now I tried hinge joints using an extra entity for the control-able wheels (usually the front ones), but that did not work, as the chassis did not move, though the "extra entity" did. 6D Joints added a lot of oscillating of the wheels and I was not able to add rotation, as the angles were rotated (means, when I rotated the wheel's pan, the tilt was rotated as well). Anyone could point me in the right direction for Gamestudio? Thanks in advance and best regards, Rei MarianFrische.com

Re: 6D Joints / Hinge Joints and vehicles [Re: Rei_Ayanami] #405386 07/30/12 07:46 07/30/12 07:46
Joined: Jul 2001 Posts: 6,904 H HeelX Senior Expert
HeelX Senior Expert H Joined: Jul 2001 Posts: 6,904	I had success with connecting a convex shaped-wheel entity with a chassis using a 6D-joint. All you have to do is to enable linear motion on the y-axis (up) and angular motion around the x-axis (forward) and y-axis (up) and set velocity as drive type, as well as constraints. If that doesn't work out for you, make two 6D joints. Don't use regular joints, like hinges or so, they are only intended for what they are designed for. Then, instead of applying forces on the wheels, I had good results with just adding a velocity to the chassis - the wheels will react then properly.

Re: 6D Joints / Hinge Joints and vehicles [Re: HeelX] #405411 07/30/12 14:01 07/30/12 14:01
Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 3,207 Germany, Magdeburg Rei_Ayanami OP Expert
Rei_Ayanami OP Expert Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 3,207 Germany, Magdeburg	The linear motion on the Y-axis is for damper, right? (Because damping is not really a need for me) A convex shape fails, as some of the tires are just to low res, which results in a really un-smooth behavior. However, my biggest problem is still the steering. Not locking the other two rotation dimensions results in uncontrollable behavior (even with LIMITED and limits set to 0). Using an additional entity and an additional 6D joints results in "lagging" of the wheel (behind the additional entity). The additional entity also behaves odd. I guess this could be related to the masses of the objects? MarianFrische.com

Re: 6D Joints / Hinge Joints and vehicles [Re: Rei_Ayanami] #405414 07/30/12 14:06 07/30/12 14:06
Joined: Jul 2001 Posts: 6,904 H HeelX Senior Expert
HeelX Senior Expert H Joined: Jul 2001 Posts: 6,904	You can upload another shape to the wheel, of course. Just take the convex hull of a cylinder and put it on the wheel. You can do that with my PhysX plugin. Maybe you can show some code, or better: A small demo which can be inspected by others. Making a correct physics setup is a daunting task sometimes and maybe you or I overlook something here.

Re: 6D Joints / Hinge Joints and vehicles [Re: HeelX] #405418
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Here is a example that uses the gamestudio CUBE_MDL (that shows the movement of wheels quite good).

Code:

#include <acknex.h>
#include <default.c>
#include <ackphysx.h>


void main()
{
	/* Init */
	wait(1);
	level_load(NULL);
	physX_open();
	
	camera.x = 218;
	camera.y = 442;
	camera.z =  81;
	camera.pan = 247;

	ENTITY* ground = ent_create(CUBE_MDL,vector(0,0,0),NULL);
	vec_set(ground.scale_x,vector(100,100,1));
	pXent_settype(ground,PH_STATIC,PH_BOX); 
	pXent_setfriction(ground,90);

 
	/* Vehicle */
	var motion[6] = { 0, 0, 0, NX_D6JOINT_MOTION_FREE, 0, 0};
	var drive[6] = { 0, 0, 0, NX_D6JOINT_DRIVE_VELOCITY, 0, 0 };

	VECTOR pos;
	vec_set(pos, vector(0,0,100));


	ENTITY *chassis = ent_create(CUBE_MDL, pos, NULL);
	vec_set(chassis.scale_x, vector(10,5,4));

	pXent_settype(chassis, PH_RIGID, PH_BOX);
	pXent_setgroup(chassis, 2);
	pXent_setmass(chassis, 50);


	ENTITY *wheel1 = ent_create(CUBE_MDL, pos, NULL);
	vec_fill(wheel1.scale_x, 2);
	vec_add(wheel1.x, vector(60,60,-32));

	pXent_settype(wheel1, PH_RIGID, PH_SPHERE);
	pXent_setgroup(wheel1, 2);
	pXent_setmass(wheel1, 30);

	pXcon_add(PH_6DJOINT, wheel1, chassis, 0);
	pXcon_setparams1(wheel1, wheel1.x, NULL, NULL);
	pXcon_set6djoint(wheel1, motion, drive);

	ENTITY *wheel2 = ent_create(CUBE_MDL, pos, NULL);
	vec_fill(wheel2.scale_x, 2);
	vec_add(wheel2.x, vector(60,-60,-32));

	pXent_settype(wheel2, PH_RIGID, PH_SPHERE);
	pXent_setgroup(wheel2, 2);
	pXent_setmass(wheel2, 30);

	pXcon_add(PH_6DJOINT, wheel2, chassis, 0);
	pXcon_setparams1(wheel2, wheel2.x, NULL, NULL);
	pXcon_set6djoint(wheel2, motion, drive);

	ENTITY *wheel3 = ent_create(CUBE_MDL, pos, NULL);
	vec_fill(wheel3.scale_x, 2);
	vec_add(wheel3.x, vector(-60,60,-32));

	pXent_settype(wheel3, PH_RIGID, PH_SPHERE);
	pXent_setgroup(wheel3, 2);
	pXent_setmass(wheel3, 30);

	pXcon_add(PH_6DJOINT, wheel3, chassis, 0);
	pXcon_setparams1(wheel3, wheel3.x, NULL, NULL);
	pXcon_set6djoint(wheel3, motion, drive);

	ENTITY *wheel4 = ent_create(CUBE_MDL, pos, NULL);
	vec_fill(wheel4.scale_x, 2);
	vec_add(wheel4.x, vector(-60,-60,-32));

	pXent_settype(wheel4, PH_RIGID, PH_SPHERE);
	pXent_setgroup(wheel4, 2);
	pXent_setmass(wheel4, 30);

	pXcon_add(PH_6DJOINT, wheel4, chassis, 0);
	pXcon_setparams1(wheel4, wheel4.x, NULL, NULL);
	pXcon_set6djoint(wheel4, motion, drive);


	var accel;

	while(1)
	{
		accel = (key_w-key_s)*500;
		pXcon_setmotor(wheel1, vector(0,0,accel), 0);
		pXcon_setmotor(wheel2, vector(0,0,accel), 0);
		wait(1);
	}
}

This is only for driving forward and backward, as the wheels start spinning whenever I use NX_D6JOINT_MOTION_FREE / NX_D6JOINT_MOTION_LIMITED (with limits set).

MarianFrische.com

Re: 6D Joints / Hinge Joints and vehicles [Re: Rei_Ayanami] #405420 07/30/12 15:04 07/30/12 15:04
Joined: Jul 2001 Posts: 6,904 H HeelX Senior Expert
HeelX Senior Expert H Joined: Jul 2001 Posts: 6,904	I see what you mean. Try to add a second 6D joint, that connects the wheel joint with the chassis with a hinge-like constraint. Enabling the Y or Z axis makes no sense, thats right.

Re: 6D Joints / Hinge Joints and vehicles [Re: HeelX] #405425 07/30/12 16:58 07/30/12 16:58
Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 3,207 Germany, Magdeburg Rei_Ayanami OP Expert
Rei_Ayanami OP Expert Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 3,207 Germany, Magdeburg	I do not really get what you mean by this Because simply adding another joint (pXcon_add) between wheel and chassis disables any movement of the wheel. Or do you mean by another entity? MarianFrische.com

Re: 6D Joints / Hinge Joints and vehicles [Re: Rei_Ayanami] #405449 07/31/12 09:50 07/31/12 09:50
Joined: Jul 2001 Posts: 6,904 H HeelX Senior Expert
HeelX Senior Expert H Joined: Jul 2001 Posts: 6,904	Yes, create a virtual entity for the front wheels, so that you can rotate the wheels with no respect to their rotation about the chassis' up-axis (centered at the wheel origin).

Re: 6D Joints / Hinge Joints and vehicles [Re: HeelX] #405459
07/31/12 14:00 07/31/12 14:00

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Okay, tried it. The result is not too bad (better than anything I achieved with 6D joints thus far), however, the front wheels just move into the ground.

The example is using CUBE_MDL.

Would be awesome if you could take another look at it

Code:

#include <acknex.h>
#include <default.c>
#include <ackphysx.h>


void main()
{
	/* Init */
	wait(1);
	level_load(NULL);
	physX_open();
	
	camera.x = 218;
	camera.y = 442;
	camera.z =  81;
	camera.pan = 247;

	ENTITY* ground = ent_create(CUBE_MDL,vector(0,0,0),NULL);
	vec_set(ground.scale_x,vector(100,100,1));
	pXent_settype(ground,PH_STATIC,PH_BOX); 
	pXent_setfriction(ground,90);

 
	/* Vehicle */
	var motion[6] = { 0, 0, 0, NX_D6JOINT_MOTION_FREE, 0, 0};
	var drive[6] = { 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 };

	var motionRot[6] = { 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, NX_D6JOINT_MOTION_LIMITED};
	var driveRot[6] = { 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 };

	VECTOR pos;
	vec_set(pos, vector(0,0,100));


	ENTITY *chassis = ent_create(CUBE_MDL, pos, NULL);
	vec_set(chassis.scale_x, vector(10,5,4));

	pXent_settype(chassis, PH_RIGID, PH_BOX);
	pXent_setgroup(chassis, 2);
	pXent_setmass(chassis, 50);


	ENTITY *wheel1Rot = ent_create(CUBE_MDL, pos, NULL);
	vec_add(wheel1Rot.x, vector(60,60,0));

	pXent_settype(wheel1Rot, PH_RIGID, PH_BOX);
	pXent_setgroup(wheel1Rot, 2);
	pXent_setmass(wheel1Rot, 30);

	pXcon_add(PH_6DJOINT, wheel1Rot, chassis, 0);
	pXcon_setparams1(wheel1Rot, wheel1Rot.x, NULL, vector(999,999,999));
	pXcon_setparams2(wheel1Rot, vector(30,30,30), vector(0,30,0), vector(999,999,999));
	pXcon_set6djoint(wheel1Rot, motionRot, driveRot);

	ENTITY *wheel2Rot = ent_create(CUBE_MDL, pos, NULL);
	vec_add(wheel2Rot.x, vector(60,-60,0));

	pXent_settype(wheel2Rot, PH_RIGID, PH_BOX);
	pXent_setgroup(wheel2Rot, 2);
	pXent_setmass(wheel2Rot, 30);

	pXcon_add(PH_6DJOINT, wheel2Rot, chassis, 0);
	pXcon_setparams1(wheel2Rot, wheel2Rot.x, NULL, vector(999,999,999));
	pXcon_setparams2(wheel2Rot, vector(30,30,30), vector(0,30,0), vector(999,999,999));
	pXcon_set6djoint(wheel2Rot, motionRot, driveRot);


	ENTITY *wheel1 = ent_create(CUBE_MDL, pos, NULL);
	vec_fill(wheel1.scale_x, 2);
	vec_add(wheel1.x, vector(60,60,-32));

	pXent_settype(wheel1, PH_RIGID, PH_SPHERE);
	pXent_setgroup(wheel1, 2);
	pXent_setmass(wheel1, 30);

	pXcon_add(PH_6DJOINT, wheel1, wheel1Rot, 0);
	pXcon_setparams1(wheel1, wheel1.x, NULL, NULL);
	pXcon_setparams2(wheel1, vector(30,30,30), vector(0,30,0), vector(999,999,999));
	pXcon_set6djoint(wheel1, motion, drive);

	ENTITY *wheel2 = ent_create(CUBE_MDL, pos, NULL);
	vec_fill(wheel2.scale_x, 2);
	vec_add(wheel2.x, vector(60,-60,-32));

	pXent_settype(wheel2, PH_RIGID, PH_SPHERE);
	pXent_setgroup(wheel2, 2);
	pXent_setmass(wheel2, 30);

	pXcon_add(PH_6DJOINT, wheel2, wheel2Rot, 0);
	pXcon_setparams1(wheel2, wheel2.x, NULL, NULL);
	pXcon_set6djoint(wheel2, motion, drive);

	ENTITY *wheel3 = ent_create(CUBE_MDL, pos, NULL);
	vec_fill(wheel3.scale_x, 2);
	vec_add(wheel3.x, vector(-60,60,-32));

	pXent_settype(wheel3, PH_RIGID, PH_SPHERE);
	pXent_setgroup(wheel3, 2);
	pXent_setmass(wheel3, 30);

	pXcon_add(PH_6DJOINT, wheel3, chassis, 0);
	pXcon_setparams1(wheel3, wheel3.x, NULL, NULL);
	pXcon_set6djoint(wheel3, motion, drive);

	ENTITY *wheel4 = ent_create(CUBE_MDL, pos, NULL);
	vec_fill(wheel4.scale_x, 2);
	vec_add(wheel4.x, vector(-60,-60,-32));

	pXent_settype(wheel4, PH_RIGID, PH_SPHERE);
	pXent_setgroup(wheel4, 2);
	pXent_setmass(wheel4, 30);

	pXcon_add(PH_6DJOINT, wheel4, chassis, 0);
	pXcon_setparams1(wheel4, wheel4.x, NULL, NULL);
	pXcon_set6djoint(wheel4, motion, drive);


	var accel;
	var steer;

	while(1)
	{
		accel = (key_w-key_s)*500;
		steer = (key_a-key_d);
		if(!steer)
		{
			pXcon_setparams2(wheel1Rot, vector(30,30,30), vector(-0.1,0.1,0), vector(999,999,999));
			pXcon_setparams2(wheel2Rot, vector(30,30,30), vector(-0.1,0.1,0), vector(999,999,999));
		}	
		else if(sign(steer) == -1)
		{
			pXcon_setparams2(wheel1Rot, vector(30,30,30), vector(-0.1,30,0), vector(999,999,999));
			pXcon_setparams2(wheel2Rot, vector(30,30,30), vector(-0.1,30,0), vector(999,999,999));
		}
		else
		{
			pXcon_setparams2(wheel1Rot, vector(30,30,30), vector(-30,0.1,0), vector(999,999,999));
			pXcon_setparams2(wheel2Rot, vector(30,30,30), vector(-30,0.1,0), vector(999,999,999));
		}
		pXent_addtorquelocal(wheel1Rot, vector(0,0,steer));
		pXent_addtorquelocal(wheel2Rot, vector(0,0,steer));
		pXent_addtorquelocal(wheel1, vector(0,accel,0));
		pXent_addtorquelocal(wheel2, vector(0,accel,0));
		wait(1);
	}
}

MarianFrische.com

Re: 6D Joints / Hinge Joints and vehicles [Re: Rei_Ayanami] #405461 07/31/12 14:35 07/31/12 14:35
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MasterQ32 Expert Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 2,568 Germany, BW, Stuttgart	maybe you should use an dummy entity (ent_create("", ...)) instead of CUBE_MDL should work better because it has no collision shape Visit my site: www.masterq32.de

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