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Re: IMMORTALITY (will it ever happen?)
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Some thoughts. I am not my body. I inhabit my body. when my body is exhausted, i leave it. I can choose if i want to have a new body in case i want to experience more on the matter plane. Anyway i am energy and always will be.
How do i know this? I know it, for this knowledge it is stored in me, so i do not have to belie-ve it. I have left my body countless times, as many others have.
So get to know instead of believing what someone(including me) tells you. well, i guess i just look crazy then. It's not like there is any number of chemicals both inside the brain and from external sources that can give someone a sense of out of body experience.... oh wait, yes there is.
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Re: IMMORTALITY (will it ever happen?)
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I mean, what kind of really big advances have we made in the last two thousand years? You are joking, arent't you ? Only scientific advances ? Do you know that in the 19th century, 11 years old kids have been condemmed to death by British court of theft ?
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Re: IMMORTALITY (will it ever happen?)
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what i was trying to says is that you and only you can know what is right, everyone else just has their own version of right, all valid for their own individual experience. So you are not wrong unless you think you are.
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Re: IMMORTALITY (will it ever happen?)
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That behavior would be evolutionary selected out. Thats why self suicide not a dominant trait. That makes a whole lot of sense, actually. So this logical "flaw" is pre-programmed, because every "flawless" thinker eradicated themself from the gene pool.
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Re: IMMORTALITY (will it ever happen?)
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who says a human "soul" exists? A lot of studies are being done right now on the concept of free will and they are finding that your when asked a question your brain finds the answer before you know you decided (when you feel undecided still). Or so some MRIs have shown.
Consciousness is possibly just a feeling we have as a response between the time we get sensory input and when our brain decides the outcome of our actions. Hard to believe but true I read a book by E .Kandle, nobel price for medicine "In search of memory " It seems that human beings take decisions a fraction of time before that they become aware of what they have decided themselves If so free will is just a mere invention
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Re: IMMORTALITY (will it ever happen?)
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Your CPU also calculated 1+2=2 before the Desktop can display it. This does not mean the calculation was not intended.
Awareness on ones own thoughts has a natural delay in a time.delayed calculation network. If you get aware you decided something wrong, you can still check and correct it, before doing an action. Thats why complex thoughts get iterated first in the head many times, before a conclusion is taken. Otherwise its a reflex. (like taking a leg up when walking) You can let it run, or manually correct it. (dogshit)
The time delay doe NOT mean there is no free will. It just means that concludions, or responses can be valued to be analysed, changed or just intuitively and immideately chosen. If every though would be "handcrafted" and constructed from logical rules, our thinking would be much too slow. The brain needs to automise responses. But these responses can be trained and altered.
Look at the following example: Girlfriend asks "Should I wear these clothes tonight, how do i look?" It requires a either an intuitive answer (likely wrong) or complex iteration of answers (likely wrong too).
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Re: IMMORTALITY (will it ever happen?)
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what i was trying to says is that you and only you can know what is right, everyone else just has their own version of right, all valid for their own individual experience. So you are not wrong unless you think you are. tell that to the people who thought they could fly off of a building on acid... oh wait, reality hit them to hard and they died. Truth is not democratic, its not made up in your head. truth is truth. Edit: Your CPU also calculated 1+2=2 before the Desktop can display it. This does not mean the calculation was not intended.
Awareness of ones own though is just a normal delay in a time.delayed calculation network. If you get aware you decided something wrong, you can still check and correct it, before doing an action. Thats why complex thoughts get iterated first in the head many times, before a conclusion is taken. Otherwise its a reflex. (like taking a leg up when walking) You can let it run, or manually correct it. (dogshit)
The time delay doe NOT mean there is no free will. It just means that concludions, or responses can be valued to be analysed, changed or just intuitively and immideately chosen.
Look at the following example: Girlfriend asks "Should I wear these clothes tonight, how do i look?" It requires a either an intuitive answer (likely wrong) or complex iteration of answers (likely wrong too). true, but if we are strictly talking consciousness and the role it plays on action/decision making then that means that decision was not made consciously, the inner workings of our brain created that output, and then consciously we feel like we just decided it.
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Re: IMMORTALITY (will it ever happen?)
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Retreiving long term memory is not a conscious action. But asking your memory to "look for it" is a conscious action. See the way i look at this, and this area of science is new and I am by no means an expert on this topic, but even the decision to "look for it" might feel conscious, but it is really just your brain responding to whatever input asked for it. non-consciously. in this case the "looking for it" covers up the fact that it is still triggered by an outside source and your brain still decides whether its worth looking for or not.
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Re: IMMORTALITY (will it ever happen?)
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Awareness on ones own thoughts has a natural delay in a time.delayed calculation network. If you get aware you decided something wrong, you can still check and correct it, before doing an action.
Yes and no Honestly I dont remember the details of the test I read the book 5 years ago In principle Scientists asked some people to take a simple decision such as to push a button "Do it when you want" As you know some area of the brain are mapped Nobody knows where coscience is but for sure we know which area of the brain must be activated to move a finger The results where amazing all subjects first activated the "finger" area and only a fraction of time after other parts of the brain have been activated When I was a school I asked my religion teacher this question If someone was born with killing instincts why should he be punished He said that the killing instinct come from the body but our soul can stop them God takes it into account More or less your explanation which , btw, never convinced me A better explanation, may be, in my opinion the following, even though Mr Kendal do not mention it The subjects take a decision to push the button with some time delay then they activate a sort of internal clock The clock automatically trig the event
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