i like that house
great model.

Do you use dirt textures, or do you make them by putting dirt on a clean reference texture ?

Why using only GREY textures ? for the atmosphear of your level ?

Added some more features to my object shader...

Now with Relief-Mapping!

Awesome, if only someone would consolidate all those great shaders to one working package

The problem is that writing all these shaders takes a huge amount of time and work even for "experts" and therefore they don't want to give it away for free - if they ever finish it.

My shaders are far from perfect and not easy to setup / use.
...And I'm pretty sure that they're also not very efficient

The problem is that writing all these shaders takes a huge amount of time and work even for "experts" and therefore they don't want to give it away for free - if they ever finish it

Even with all shaders some indie would like to have, imm' not sure he will make and finish a game using them

You need a solid base :
3D models, great textures, level design (just look at Guild Wars 2 worlds) , characters , animation, 3D effects, good ideas etc ...
Shaders are only put on top of that to bring candy visual stuff.

If you have bad textures, bad levels, bad characters, well ... shaders are useless.

Some other Engines bring to you a library of complete shaders, others propose some shader editor ... some are affordable , some expensive ... some for 3D artists ...

3DGS have a good shader base ready to make little next gen looking levels.
It's to people to work

Yes, thats right!

Even the best shaders won't make a game look good at all. As you've already said the base is the most important thing. And if the base is done well shaders can make it look much better but it's important to have something solid.
...And besides that, good gameplay is always better than shaders ;D

I agree Good gameplay

But i really don't like even good gaemplay with very bad or too much amateur graphics, specially whenelements and level don't match in colors and brightness ...

So lot of gamesin IndieDb ... Not all have a GOOD RETRO design and textures, or GOOD PRO visual quality !
Lot of games don't have enought attention on graphics, some feels like made by a programmer non skilled at 3D !

For people working hard there is room in IndieDb, Steam GreenLight

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Yes, even normal map/specular shader of 3DGS can do marvellous things if you have a solid level , textures ,and characters ...
We have enought basic standard shaders with 3DGS, but where are the games using them ....
I only see SuperKu and SuperCan ...

So adding even Shade C next version or lot more shaders ... won't bring games !

Yes, too bad graphics can make a game unenjoyable - even if the gameplay is really good.

On the other hand, good graphics don't make a good gameplay ( I wish developers of 'big' games like Battlefield etc. would think like that )
...but if the gameplay is great, good graphics can make the overall appearance and 'feel' of the game even better

its the same damn conversation everytime.. *shakes head*

shaders are not required, but they'd be nice to have to fully realize environments that may be in the head of even a hobby dev. Every time someone brings up how nice a shader package would be someone talks about how shaders are useless. No, if you want to dynamically change the way a surface looks, they are required, pure and simple. cartoon games can even use a good normal map if done in some ways.

It would be nice if someone did make this, but as said its a lot of work, so i guess we can all agree that it would be great honor to someone who did. for instance boh_havoc, slin, etc. they have all done it, and im pretty sure they have the respect of everyone here on how much work they did for free.

Thank you guys! Feedback is much appreciated!
I've watched a lot of Youtube-videos on stats-screens, I tell you that, and I keep coming back to Nintendo-Wii-videos, surprisingly. They really know how to design sleek interfaces.

Also, how did we just skip over this?!



Your project is super interesting! Forgive me for not replying earlier.
I like seeing the progress - can't really comment on the music other than it sounds good in structure, though it does sound a little "MIDI-like". I guess the samples you're using here are at fault at that.
Do you plan on making the music dynamic?
I also like what I'm seeing regarding the art and style of it all. It seems like you do have a pretty clear vision of it.
Also, I do want to implement differently shaped tiles for my game for such "cliff"-like structures, it's good that I can see that this would actually work!

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There's not too much crazy progress in Dungeon Deities, but here's a shot:



Featuring: Debug text, debug lines, and a debug dungeon.
Also, I've - once again - fiddled slightly with the camera settings.

Yeah, there's still a black background, but I haven't forgotten that suggestion - the user can actually select from a few presets, it just so happens that I never really do that and thus use the standard gradient (there's a very slight gradient from black to grey)