agreed. programming is programming. a variable is a variable, classes are classes, functions are functions.

The only differences are how types differ, how scope works, and how much the language "protects you from" / limits how much you can do.

Great looking project, Dark. Really enjoyed watching, looks very pro.

I like it too, looks very professional!

@ratchet: Good luck for your future. What I was always wondering: Did you do any games or something else except introducing other engines? I never noticed you except in you engine topics

Not only
While nowadays you can download litteraly thousands artworks from the web, even for free for non commercial games, nobody will code the game logic for you

In my opinion, the programming language by itself is not that important
They are more ore less the same stuff
What it is really important is the game engine architecture

Strictly speaking, the simple amount of finished games isn't necessarily a good metric regarding whether an engine is good or not. Perhaps a "finished-games-per-experienced-user" would be more applicable. Not that any data for that exists.

(I'm not saying here that Unity is or is not better than Acknex - I don't have enough experience with Unity to say. All i'm saying is: Statistics!)

@PadMalcom :
I don't think i will make a game one day, but i'm trying actaully, i think on going simple and retro and mobile, to have lot more chances to make a game , we'll see

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Yes programming is needed i agree, even visual programming is some sort of programming but somwhat different in the approach and it's more engaging fro some people.
The game i pointed on the video is a good example of a pure 3D artist doing a game in solo, that do'nt know programming when i asked him.
So it's possible to go visual,specially for arcade games.

Even FPS Creator don't require you to program. It depends on the complexity of your game and where you want to go.
even some 2D engine like Torque 2D or Multi Media Fusion have ready to use logic modules, you just pick up and place visually.
Lot of 2D games have been made using such sort of non programming Tools (even RPG Maker 2D).

If you want ot go your own way, with originality etc ... indeed programmign will be neeeded.

The other solution is a team, you make graphics and one other is programming, that's what i do actually also.

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Now in terms of workflow, when elsewhere i just import FBX, choose the shader by a click, run and adjust script variables values of the game (walk speed, jump hieght etc ..) all in real time
Well how to say , it's just fast compared to MED and WED, you don't loose time converting or writing shaders assignments.
i don't talk about terrain, particle editor etc ... all additionnal tools just make you speed up in your game making ,specially real time adjustmenst with game running :
it avoids you to : code particle/run game/modify values/launch game/remodify values etc ...

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And for my personnal project this is not Unity but a similar one.
So people should stop focusing about Unity
Yes i also use Unity in team projects as 3D artist only, but mainly to test 3D art before sending it.


Who knows what will happen with 3DGS, and what users would come back to 3DGS ?

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@Error014 :
You have a good game base, almost complete game, because you do'nt use terrain, vegetation, intensive GUI elements, not last Graphics features, indeed 3DGS does the job a lot for you
All depends on people goals.

Hope to see your game on Desura or Steam soon

ratchet you made many valid points ,i agree on most of them when i
try to understand what you are looking for ,the way i see
it you looking for something(or found it) that gives you the tools
and workflow you want (so you dont need to wait or spend time on creating them)
but instead lay down your concepts knowing you have the toolset to do so ,
and lets be realistic here ,you do not need to be a programmer at all ,i guess
it escapes our thoughts that game developement is not purely just for artists
and developers and sound engineers etc but also game designers and people having
game ideas ,those people could start / join a team if the coding needs to be done when the actual concept is thought to be good enough..

best of luck

If you define "Leaving 3DGS" as "i don´t use 3dgs anymore" then your post is senseless. many users (including me) don´t use gamestudio actively to create games. we´re acknex-zombies and wwwweeee... wwwaaannnttt... tttooo... sssaayyy... wwweeelllcccooommmmmmmmeee... tttooo... ooouuurrr... wwwooorrrlllddd...

If you define "Leaving 3DGS" as "i don´t use 3dgs anymore and i want to leave the forums too" then your post is senseless. leaving the forum is not possible, there are too many cool and self-ironic users (including me) you won´t find anywhere else.


to sumarize this: use the engine you like, have many great ideas for new stuff, code your dreams and rant around

Before this topic goes even more off-topic, let me demonstrate you my closing skills.