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Re: Z1/2/12 and the new ESMA regulations [Re: DdlV] #473649
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Maybe looking the maximum drawdown report and keeping more money on your account?

Originally Posted By: jcl
Smaller leverage means smaller profit.

And smaller risks as Zorro automatically increase the lot size with high leverage. Equity will move faster and expired systems or systems that not behave like the test will wipe out you sooner.

Sadly I loose a lot of money with Z12 system. Not sure what happened, I was trying MT5. But I wouldn't give another chance to these systems, I will try using my own.

Re: Z1/2/12 and the new ESMA regulations [Re: DdlV] #473676
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Hi jcl. So, how do I Test my strategies and the Z Systems with the ESMA margin limit above?

I.e., even though there is equity available in the account, ESMA now won't let me use it if that equity is less than 50% of the currently used margin. What flag do I set to run Tests this way?

Thanks.

Re: Z1/2/12 and the new ESMA regulations [Re: DdlV] #473696
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If you need additional 50% margin, then use 50% higher Margincost.

Re: Z1/2/12 and the new ESMA regulations [Re: jcl] #473697
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Thanks jcl. Yes, this is a partial workaround, but doesn't really address the issue. For example, for all trades that never go negative during their lifetimes, the 50% additional MarginCost is wasted, preventing trades or lowering the size of entered trades.

Is there another solution that is less restrictive and closer approximates the ESMA situation?

Thanks.

Re: Z1/2/12 and the new ESMA regulations [Re: DdlV] #473702
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Your broker requires the 50% extra margin only for trades that went negative?

Re: Z1/2/12 and the new ESMA regulations [Re: jcl] #473707
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No, the broker requires that account Equity be >=50% of Margin used. If Equity falls below this level, new trades are prevented, etc.

So, if the trades are on aggregate winning, this doesn't matter. It will only come into play when enough open trades have gone negative by an aggregate amount sufficient to take Equity down that far.

Thanks.

Re: Z1/2/12 and the new ESMA regulations [Re: DdlV] #473709
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Hmm, the account equity must normally cover 100% of used margin, not 50%. Or did you mean 150%?

Re: Z1/2/12 and the new ESMA regulations [Re: jcl] #473711
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Well, I could certainly be misunderstanding...

Here is the relevant section from the announcement I received:

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50% margin close-out on account level basis

Positions will close out at 50% of initial margin requirement to reduce the risk of loss.

Example: Say you have £2000 in your account, you then open a GER30 position that requires £1,000 margin. 50% of the initial margin requirement for the GER30 position is £500. If your equity falls from your original £2000 to £500 or less, then we will close out your positions.



To me, this reads like Margin Call now happens at 50% of (aggregate) initial margin requirement, not $0...

Thanks.

Re: Z1/2/12 and the new ESMA regulations [Re: DdlV] #473712
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To me, it reads as if the real margin requirement is only 50% of the listed margin. To simulate that, just reduce the margin cost by half.

Re: Z1/2/12 and the new ESMA regulations [Re: jcl] #473724
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If I reduce Margin cost by half, won't that just double the lots entered? Keeping total Margin used the same? How does that accomplish the Equity < 50% of Margin trades closeout?

Thanks.

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