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Zorro & Tax Law (Germany) #478911
01/11/20 09:53
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Hi jcl,

in germany there was dramatic change in tax laws in 2021.

Basically, losses can not be deducted from wins.
Means, I have 10k account, earn 10k, loose 10k so I am at 0k win.
The first 10k loss can be deducted from tax.

Then, you win again 10k, and loose it all, for the tax you made 10k to be taxed.
Worse, you win 100k and then loose 100k, for tax you then have 100k income to tax.

For small investors not possible to take that risk.

Here is the question, can you introduce in z.ini a global loss limit that is respected by all Zorro instances running on the VPS?

E.g, I have 5 instances running, they are all performing great, but how it is in trading, you must loose to win.
Therefore, I would set the loss limit e.g. to 9000 (account currency), once the 9k are reached, also all profits need to be trailed closer and trades in loss need to stopped immediatly.

After reaching the limit under no circumstances Zorro is supposed to start new trades.

Re: Zorro & Tax Law (Germany) [Re: danatrader] #478912
01/11/20 10:34
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Keine Angst. Wenn Sie in einem Jahr 100k Gewinn und 100k Verlust machen, müssen Sie wohl auch in Zukunft nichts versteuern.

Ich habe von diesen Gerüchten gehört, aus meiner Sicht basieren sie jedoch auf einem Missverständnis. Das Gesetz bezieht sich auf Jahresgewinne oder -Verluste. Sie können am Jahresende entweder einen Gewinn oder einen Verlust eingefahren haben, aber nicht beides gleichzeitig. Ein Jahresverlust aus Optionshandel kann künftig nur noch in Portionen von 10,000 EUR auf Jahresgewinne in Folgejahren angerechnet werden. Das ist zwar schlimm genug, hat aber nichts mit "der Staat verlangt jetzt Steuern sogar für Verluste" zu tun. Das ist zumindest meine Interpretation.

Re: Zorro & Tax Law (Germany) [Re: danatrader] #478931
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Re: Zorro & Tax Law (Germany) [Re: danatrader] #478961
01/27/20 18:15
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I really like your article.

The Green party (actually funny they did vote for the law), is now realizing what it means and did therefore make a written request to the goverment for clarification.

Really sad all that... but, thank you for the global limit.

So now there is rumors that Kassa / Spot FX may not be subject of it, but in the end, all that will be subject of courts anyway.

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