People are talking about shaders, realism and how necessary it all is - what about the game itself? For you it seems to be less important, as you never mention this aspect.

Graphics should support a good gameplay, not cover crap.
For me, good gameplay is essential. Then Graphics come - afterwards, not before.

Apart from that: Who said everybody wants realism? You can have realism every day - just try to open the door of your house.
Where have all those unrealistic but gameplay wise excellent games gone? I don't want graphic demos, I want fun while playing.

Gafar: Good Point! While I believe the visor effects in Metroid Prime 2 are mostly particle and filter effects, they're still effects.

Firoball: I think it's easy to suggest that graphics come second to gameplay, but I think graphics are a part of gameplay. They work together. But, graphics don't always mean fancy effects or the latest technology. They can also mean excellent art direction. Seeing as we have no way of testing the gameplay of "Lived" we have to judge based on shots.

Now, while I'd love to discuss this further, I think we're just spamming. If someone were to start this tread back up somewhere else, I'd deffinately join the debate.

On "Lived": I can't wait to see more or play a demo!

metr odi doesnt use any shaders.
yes those are particle effects.
same comes with god of war btw..
i also prefer gameplay as i said before...

Firoball: Then it seems like we are on the same page.

Yes in the final game everything has to work togehter for one illusion then it is a good game. Today shaders are important to make more detail without losing to much fps. A shader definition is rendered very quick instead of thousand aof polygons. Also water would never look like real without any shader operations.

Looks really great! The lights look awesome and they're good placed in the scene. The modell detail is also really nice and much better then in other hobby projects.

... is it a pure english team or mixed up with germans?
If I said in the german PM on developia.de it would be nice, when you can improve your description on our site, maybe a little bit more of the story/gameplay (what have the player to do ... why is he on the oilrig etc.)

Whats all this talk about this game needs shaders? Look at the artists quality! You dont need all that futuristic mumbo jumbo when you got models and levels that look that good.

You're going to release that for free? You must be crazy!
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Actually, ignore that, free is good

Those screens look excellent, but it does seem that every FPS has to have some sort of zombie or posessed... well, not every, but many, many.